Bosch regulator replacement - 750 SF

gibbo-123

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I'm working my way through the electrics on the bike. When I bought the bike I was told the regulator was suspect and given another used example as a spare. My question is: what modern replacements are available/suitable? There seems little point in fitting another unknown unit when I'm aiming for reliability.

Is this any good? www.autoelectricsupplies.co.uk/product/466. I can't find a spec for the one on the bike to compare.

Stuart
 
that looks like the std VW beetle regulator (i think we had a thread about these not too long ago)
very similar to what was used on the twins and they can be serviced with a bit of contact cleaning
i believe there are some modern solid state units that can be used but electrics are not my strength
sachse, among others, offers one
 
Hi, I looked at the Sachse unit. Is it a unit that a few members have used and found to be good? Also, am I worrying too much about an old unit? Are they generally reliable to the point that a good clean of the contacts should keep it going?

Stuart
 
The VW Bosch Regulator is 30 Amps and not suitable over-stressing the Generator compared to the SF?s 11 Amp Bosch Regulator. Wolfgang has the proper 11 amp Regulator.

Pull the Rubber Plug out of the Brush End of the Generator and ensure the small Bolt through the Terminal you see there is not the culprit.

A big problem with the SF Regulator is Vibration; such that, you must ensure it is adequately Rubber Mounted even if you have to fabricate the mount. I rebuilt my mounts using a Spark Plug Rubber Boot.

I have no problem running an 85 Watt Halogen Head Light, 2 x's 35 Watt Fog Lamps & keeping a sYTX14-BS Battery Charged. I do a lot of Night Riding with 200 mile runs back to home base after a day of cruising.

You might find this Info useful:


                     11 AMP BOSCH REGULATOR Terminals


       B+ - To Battery

       D+/61 - To Generator D+ and Battery Warning Idiot Light        

       DF - To Generator DF Terminal

       D- - To Generator D- (GROUND?)

       Do Not forget to Ground the Regulator Base Plate to the Frame.

      A Fully Charged 12 Volt Battery should have a minimum of 12.6 Volts but can be as hi as 12.85 Volts

     NOTE that the Generator is specifically wired for the BOSCH Regulator and the Field Coil Terminals
              within the Casing must be changed if using a Lucas & most aftermarket Regulators. Very similar
              to Wiring the Brushes and Field Coils to Work in a Series rather then Parallel. Bosch Sites have
              the Wiring Terminal Modification.


                      Check the Charging Voltage -

With the engine running at above idle speeds, the voltage across the battery terminals should rise to 14 - 14.5 volts - I've found a minimum of 13.25 Volts is OK with the 750SF - (7 - 7.2 volts for the 6-volt system). If you are getting that voltage, the battery is receiving a normal charge.

If you don't see that voltage, try pressing the brushes in (against the commutator) while the engine is running (mind out you don't touch the spinning pulley!) The upper brush is easy enough to reach, the underside one is rather more difficult. You can use your finger (14.5 volts won't electrocute you :-) or the back of a small screwdriver, but nothing metal please.

If the voltage shoots up to 14-14.5 volts (7-7.2 volts for the 6volt VWs) when you apply pressure, the brushes are worn to their limits and should be replaced.


                 Check the Maximum Voltage of the Generator -

  1. Disconnect the generator from the regulator (both the DF and D+
     wires).

  2. Use a jumper lead to connect DF to the generator frame (grounding
     the DF connection).

  3. Now start the engine and test the voltage between D+ and the generator
     frame.

  4. The voltage should increase with rpm up to about 35 volts (20 volts
     or so for the 6-volt generator).

  5. If the generator passes this test, it's working okay.

     DON'T run this test any more than a few seconds -- just enough to make
     the test at increasing rpm, as this test will heat up the generator.


                         Polarize the Generator -

If the above test fails, it may be caused by the generator becoming depolarised (not enough magnetism to start the generating process).

To polarise the generator, remove the fan belt, jumper wire from DF to the generator case (grounding the DF terminal). Now connect a wire from the + terminal on the battery to D+ on the generator. The generator should now start to spin. A few seconds is enough for this test.

If the generator doesn't spin, it's faulty. It's rebuild time (or at least it needs an auto electrician to look at it).

                          Check the Results -

Now put the fan belt back on, leave the DF terminal grounded, and check for the high voltage from D+ to ground with the engine running at high rpm. If you don't get the high voltage (up to 35 volts for the 12-volt generator or 20 volts for the 6-volt generator), the generator is probably faulty.

If you get the full voltage, but when it's all connected back up and you don't see the normal charge voltage at the battery (14.5 volts for 12-volt generators or 7.2 volts for the 6-volt generator), the regulator is probably faulty.

Hopefully these tests will identify your problem and you can get it fixed yourself without great expense. You'll have learned more about the electrical systems in a car, and won't get stuck at a critical time with a dead battery.
 
Really don't know if it's typical, but I needed to replace a Sachse regulator on a 750SF2 just a few weeks ago, no charging current.  The unit was less than six months old.   Thought it couldn't possibly be the regulator 'cos it was new, checked wiring, dismantled and cleaned the generator, the works... turned out it was the f****** regulator!  Could say I was rather pissed.

Lots of other electronic options out there also.  These guys make a good 'un.   www.edknet.de

piet
 
I noticed when I took the regulator off that it was mounted on a rubber strap, bit like a trampoline! I'll check the generator as part of the process, also the general crap state of all the connections could have something to do with it. I'm replacing parts of the loom as required.

I'll follow up the links suggested as well thanks.

I looked through the archive and found a fair bit of information as well.

Stuart
 
Laverda SF - thanks for the post, will go through those checks once I've sorted the spaghetti out and got the bike running again. Maybe I'm jumping the gun looking at modern replacements... ;)

I've used that VW website in the past for help with work on our '74 Beetle.

Stuart
 
gibbo-123 said:
I noticed when I took the regulator off that it was mounted on a rubber strap, bit like a trampoline!

Stuart,

Don't change that set-up!  

Mounting the sucker solidly makes the contacts vibrate and charging is either zero or over the top.  Either way, you'll end up pushing the bike! :D

piet
 
Here's a link to Wolfgang Hearter - Great Guy with all the Answers & Parts for our Breganzes: http://www.angelfire.com/biz/clcrcy/

NOTE that the Generator is specifically wired for the BOSCH Regulator and the Field Coil Terminals within the Casing must be changed if using a Lucas & most aftermarket Regulators.
 
Hey thanks for that great info LaverdaSF.
We did have a good thread on this on the old pedia site.
I went through a period where I ended up with a VW 12V regulator. However each long trip the resistor under the regulator failed and I?d buy another new reg. On the Laverda this resistor is a thick plate but on the VW ones it is a thin resistance wire coil. I had 2 seemingly perfectly good Lav regulators which just didn?t quite keep the battery charged over time and various auto electricians had "set them up" for me without success. I found a marine electrician who set each up to its own gennerator and both have been perfect for the last 20 years. He also said the Lav genny was a ripper, it delivered 22 amps and he thought it was rated 11amp because of not having cooling vents. It seems like not many people understand setting these regulators up, and here in Norway they?d want a months wages to even try. Maybe I?ll whip a bench together to spin up the generator and try it myself next time.
It is a shame to hear that the electronic ones don?t seem to be an easy answer.
Stuart, as has been pointed out, check all your wires and connections first before you get into the more difficult stuff.
 
Is it taboo to reply to an old thread?

Still trying to figure out why I wouldn't want to run a 30 amp regulator on a bike designed for an 11. Will the generator now always be woking that hard? Can't it only produce what it can produce? It's just the regulator can handle up to 30 amps not just 11, right?

So tempted to try a VW bug solid state modern equivalent for $30.
 
69 750 said:
Is it taboo to reply to an old thread?

Still trying to figure out why I wouldn't want to run a 30 amp regulator on a bike designed for an 11. Will the generator now always be woking that hard? Can't it only produce what it can produce? It's just the regulator can handle up to 30 amps not just 11, right?

So tempted to try a VW bug solid state modern equivalent for $30.

would simply say - it worked for me.
 
Just got back from a 800 mile ride (NorCal TT) and the 750 was great fun.

A charging issue turned out to be a faulty horn constantly sucking wattage and the VW 30 amp solid state voltage regulator worked great.

Pics from the ride: https://picasaweb.google.com/106224032438619042529/NorCalTT13#

Best,
Adam
CecchiniMotorSports.com
 
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