for the open minded

There's a lot said about religion. i think this also says a lot about it and i agree with it in principle. for those who do not agree with my position, and that's fine, if you care to read this you might understand it and maybe me better - some of you might even agree with it!
if you can't bother reading it through, don't bother commenting.

What if I told you Jesus came to abolish religion
What if I told you voting Republican really wasn't His mission
What if I told you republican doesn't automatically mean Christian
And just because you call some people blind doesn't automatically give you vision

I mean if religion is so great, why has it started so many wars
Why does it build huge churches, but fails to feed the poor
Tells single moms God doesn't love them if they've ever had a divorce
But in the Old Testament, God actually calls religious people whores

Religion might preach grace, but another thing they practice
Tend to ridicule God's people, they did it to John The Baptist
They can't fix their problems, and so they just mask it
Not realizing religion's like spraying perfume on a casket
See the problem with religion, is it never gets to the core
It's just behavior modification, like a long list of chores
Like let's dress up the outside make it look nice and neat
But it's funny that's what they use to do to mummies while the corpse rots underneath

Now I ain't judging, I'm just saying quit putting on a fake look
Cause there's a problem if people only know you're a Christian by your Facebook
I mean in every other aspect of life, you know that logic's unworthy
It's like saying you play for the Lakers just because you bought a jersey
You see this was me too, but no one seemed to be on to me
Acting like a church kid, while addicted to pornography
See on Sunday I'd go to church, but Saturday getting faded
Acting if I was simply created just to have sex and get wasted
See I spent my whole life building this facade of neatness
But now that I know Jesus, I boast in my weakness

Because if grace is water, then the church should be an ocean
It's not a museum for good people, it's a hospital for the broken
Which means I don't have to hide my failure, I don't have to hide my sin
Because it doesn't depend on me it depends on Him
See because when I was God's enemy and certainly not a fan
He looked down and said I want, that, man
Which is why Jesus hated religion, and for it he called them fools
Don't you see so much better than just following some rules
Now let me clarify, I love the church, I love the Bible, and yes I believe in sin
But if Jesus came to your church would they actually let him in
See remember he was called a glutton, and a drunkard by religious men
But the son of God never supports self righteousness not now, not then

Now back to the point, one thing is vital to mention
How Jesus and religion are on opposite spectrum
See one's the work of God, but one's a man made invention
See one is the cure, but the other's the infection
See because religion says: Do, Jesus says: Done
Religion says: Slave, Jesus says: Son
Religion puts you in bondage, while Jesus sets you free
Religion makes you blind, but Jesus makes you see
And that's why religion and Jesus are two different clans

Religion is man searching for God, Christianity is God searching for man
Which is why salvation is freely mine, and forgiveness is my own
Not based on my merits but Jesus's obedience alone
Because he took the crown of thorns, and the blood dripped down his face
He took what we all deserved, I guess that's why you call it grace
And while being murdered he yelled
"Father forgive them they know not what they do."
Because when he was dangling on that cross, he was thinking of You
And he absorbed all of your sin, and buried it in the tomb
Which is why I'm kneeling at the cross, saying come on there's room
So for religion, no I hate it, in fact I literally resent it
Because when Jesus said it is finished, I believe he meant it

- Jefferson Bethke
From my pragmatic point of view this sort of clap trap is so so far from or indeed for the open minded. That's what makes all you brainwashed believers so unbelievable henry. Got anything to tell us about your Laverda?  

laverdakeith said:
From my pragmatic point of view this sort of clap trap is so so far from or indeed for the open minded. That's what makes all you brainwashed believers so unbelievable henry. Got anything to tell us about your Laverda?  


What that load of hogwash seems to be saying is that there is only one true religious way: following Jesus.  Can't help thinking that there may be some out there in religionland who would beg to differ.  Violently, probably...  
Read your post, even googled Jefferson Bethke, no comment. So what did you do to your Laverda today?

I skim read it Henry - enough to know its the same old bollocks I've been hearing since the age of 4.

The simple fact that you chose to title the thread 'for the open minded' says everything. Absolutely typical of the superior attitude religious types often assume. You are addressing people here in the age range 40-60 ish! We've generally made our minds up.

I'm out. Ridiculous.
Why do Laverdaforum users need that guff? Take it elsewhere please, it certainly doesn't belong here. I'm sure there's a forum where such 'interesting' topics can be discussed - BUT NOT HERE.