HKZ bike - diode in headlight shell

cwis

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Hi all,

I'm currently tidying up the headlamp shell wiring so I can fit a (micro) HID inverter and associated control circuitry plus a bi-xenon bulb in there.

There's a big plastic diode in there, which if I unplug it, the instrument lights go out. What is its purpose and what should it be plugged into? Can anyone direct me to a decent copy of the wiring diagram online? I still haven't got my hands on either of my copies of the workshop manual....

Best regards,

Chris
 
G'day Chris

The headlight and instrument lights are powered via that diode. The reason it's there is to isolate the headlight and instrument lights when the lighting circuit is powered up by the "park" position of the key swich. That way only the tail and front park light come on, even if the headlight switch is left in the "on" position.

Note that in the factory wiring diagram for the 1974-1977 triples with HKZ ignition, the diode is shown the wrong way around. That was corrected in the post 1977 (BTZ ignition) diagram.

Feeding power to the headlight via a diode is not a very elegant solution because diodes have a 0.5V voltage drop through them. So the headlight doesn't get full system voltage. That's one of the reasons why powering the headlight via a relay gives a brighter light.

Cheers,
Cam
 
Hi Cam,

thanks for the info.

I'm at a bit of a crossroads here - it looks like I can fit the ballast and control circuitry for the HID lights into the headlamp shell, but it would be a tight fit. I'd also have to chop the wiring about in there and do a massive tidy up to make room...

I'm tempted based on your info, to run a relay instead and buy a decent halogen light bulb.

I was originally driven down the HID route by the fact that they only draw 35W, but the downside is that the headlamp and reflector have to be spotlessly clean or there would be a fair bit of glare for other road users, and the transition from dip to main beam is not as good as with a halogen lamp.

I'll have a think.

Best regards,

Chris
 
Hi Chris, I have fitted HID lighting on my BMW GS, it is exeptionaly bright, turns night into day etc. But it is a bit anti social and causes quite a lot of car drivers to flash me. The 8" Bosch reflector is pretty good, exellent results can be got using a 100/80W H4 bulb ran through a relay.


    Keith
 
Hi Keith,

That was my reasoning too. I've got a R100/7 with the same reflector and the beam pattern on that (and the light output) is OK. Not brilliant, but OK, with a 55W bulb. Higher wattage ones would of course be better.

I have compared then (HID and halogen) side by side in the garage and there is significantly more glare with the HID. Mind you, they do light up the night very well as you say!

I'd need to look at the charge circuit if I wanted to run a higher wattage halogen - perhaps that is where I should concentrate.

Best regards,

Chris
 
Anyone have any experience with Hella FF75 vs FF50? The 75 is a tiny bit less tall than the 50, flat instead of slightly convex top and bottom. I'm just wondering what that does to the beam spread. I want to put one for high beam only on my Jota, mounted below the 180mm headlight, with HID bulb.
Riding the freeways at night here is kinda scary at 130 kph, not because they're windy but because there's so much junk falls off vehicles. I almost hit a pallet that had fallen off a truck on the weekend, at 130(ish) kph it came up awful fast...

Ken
 
Hi Ken, according to the Hella blurb the FF50 has a slightly longer throw which is why I went with them. I have a FF50 on my BMW which I have converted to HID. I tried converting the headlight to HID but got flashed ny everyone as it was just not the right reflector for it. Also in OZ it is illegal to have HID on low beam without the right reflector and rear suspension levelling in place ie we can't.

So for high beam I added the FF50 with HID and it is phenomenal. Will be done to the RGS when it gets here.

I did a write up on it for the K11 page which I will copy here:-

So faced with buying Piaas at an enormous cost I decided to convert my existing Hella FF50 to HID. Turned out to be really easy and at 5% of the cost of the PIAAs very affordable as well. And the light!! Phenomenal!! It's a wonder all those photons shooting out the front don't slow the bike down.

So here's the result, along with a swag of bugs from the recent SS1600:-

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The HID kit is from an ebay seller elconline although there are many others. I chose the 4300K temp and the FF50 takes the H7 bulb. If you have a different driving light then you should be able to get something to fit it as well. Just search eBay for "HID Motorcycle H7 kit" and you should find something in your area. This particular kit is also available from http://hidcountry.com/Products/motorcyclehidconversion.php (Thanks to Naked Hoof for pointing that one out).

So this is what you get in the box:-

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Power goes in the red and black wires, just wire this in instead of the original bulb. Note this is polarity sensitive, ie the red wire must be +ve.

You need to pull the light apart to install the bulb and drill a big hole in the case. I did it in the middle next to the original hole. The big rubber grommet fits in there well:-
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To mount the light, I already had 2 holes under the chin of the fairing I used for some previous lights, I drilled holes in the FF50 bracket to suit, but if I was doing it again I would use the supplied bolt in the middle. I don't like drilling holes in the bike but at least these are not visible really. You need to take the black cover plate out which is 4 screws to get at the other end of the bolts.:-
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For the ballast I used double sided foam tape to stick it to the inside of the fairing under and just behind the horn on the right hand side:-
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The other bit of the ballast sits in front of the forks under the headlight quite neatly. Cable ties used to keep it and the wiring under control.
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So under the left hand vent you can see the wiring for the 3 relays, 2 for the hi/lo headlight and one for the FF50. The left switch turns all headlights off and on, some of you refer to this as the euro switch which ours aren't fitted with, and the right one turns the FF50 off or on, but the on only works when the high beam is on of course. I'm going to install a bit of matte black plastic over the relay wiring to hide it eventually. I also have a 6 pin connector between the relays and the wiring to make it easy to remove the sidecover.
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So I am much happier with setup than the HID headlight which to be honest was a disaster, and WAY cheaper than the PIAAs, although I will admit the PIAAs are neater as the ballast is inside them, but unfortunately I'm poor...... And yep it works brilliantly! I have a second FF50, I might set it up so that I can fit it for long trips and take it off again for the bulk of the time. But there's so much light now, I'm not sure it's needed.

http://k11og.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8867
 
mcnicol said:
Anyone have any experience with Hella FF75 vs FF50?

No experience with the FF50 Ken, but, the FF75 fitted with a 100W H7 bulb works great on my RGS.  Coupled on high beam to the 80/100W H4 bulb in the stock headlight, it turns night into day......

piet
 

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