£2500 Laverda 750 Lower Kingswood Surrey

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so who is the lucky bastard who got in before me! but I was actually in first,
was advertised in OBM as "rusty" and no picture, it took three answerphone messages over last weekend before he would reply to me, booked to go and pay cash/collect on Sunday, with cash in hand and trailer hooked on, was phoned at the last minute to cancel due to him unexpectedly working nights, another slot booked for Monday, that also cancelled, and rescheduled for today, and half way there I phoned to advise my arrival time, (answerphone again) and got phoned straight back to say that he had received a cheque in the post, for the sale of the bike, so between Monday and Wednesday he had sold it to someone else, the dirty lying rat, he said he had been phoning me all day Tuesday, 1471 revealed the last call to the house was actually his one of Monday,and no messages on the mobile! not the buyers fault who may not have known anything about my provisionally agreed purchase at all, (it was really only going to be a cursory look to confirm the telephone description) but I might have to post him a box of half a dozen house bricks COD, if they still do that!.
CLEM
 
When I bought my house it was $$$ or best offer. I offered the $$$, which was accepted by the owner and agent.
Then the next day I got a call from the agent saying they had a better offer, after mine, and I would need to better it if I wanted it.

I stood my ground, saying: My offer was accepted, and it was a sale, not a fucken auction and if I had to report him/the agent, I would.
I got it, as initially accepted.
 
we had a similar one on a house here in Mallorca, our offer was accepted, and then at the date for signing, they asked for 100K more in cash, we walked
 
Similar story with my CUP Zane years ago.

Offered on ebay only with the text "750 S ready for race" and three bad, verry small and blurred pictures.
I had bid a minimal amount and was totally surprised to have won the auction.

When I contacted the seller, he said that he would not be stupid after all and would give away the racing motorcycle for nothing.
When I saw that the owner is a wealthy businessman in Belgium, I insisted on the contract = won ebay auction.
I would not have gone through with a private individual.

Since the seller continued to resist, I activated ebay and a Belgian lawyer (paid my legal expenses insurance).
Only then did he give in. To be on the safe side, I took an armed German policeman with me to pick it up (thanks to my friend Uwe).
The handover took place in a somewhat tense atmosphere, but correctly.

When I saw what a great bike I got for almost nothing when I was picked it up, I was very surprised:
- no damages
- new racing tires
- all attachments carbon fiber
- Racing exhaust system
- Suspension / chassis and engine optimized by Team Enzo
- Equipment

With things like that (and also with dangerous spiders ;)) I don't understand fun!

Besides buying my SFC 750, it was the second best vehicle-deal of my life.

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Thomas aus LAU
 
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That’s an interesting story Thomas. I am also interested in the exhaust as the silencers look similar to the ones fitted on the 750 Formula for sale in New Zealand.
 
Hard luck Clem, I guess a few of us have had similar experience, and in fact both ways. I’ve had a few sales over the years where the buyer has just evaporated with no explanation.
Although slightly unrelated, even more irritating for me, is a tradesman that agrees to carry out some work but never does......
 
Andy J said:
That’s an interesting story Thomas. I am also interested in the exhaust as the silencers look similar to the ones fitted on the 750 Formula for sale in New Zealand.
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This shape, which I have seen on several cup bikes, was not on the official Zane accessory list (see below).
If I were you, I would ask Enzo. He is/was specialist for ZANE-Laverdas.
Try this: adress Enzo
Or may be Gijs van Dijk, in 1997 he was chief mechanic in the Enzo team (says google).

1625732740467.jpeg 1625732825122.jpeg And so uses the LCO-Race Section the CUP today: 1625733428005.jpeg

Thomas aus LAU
 

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sideshow said:
we had a similar one on a house here in Mallorca, our offer was accepted, and then at the date for signing, they asked for 100K more in cash, we walked
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That used to be very common in Spain to avoid the horrendous property sale and capital gains taxes. We found lots of properties offered at incredibly low prices only to be told what the real deal was later. i.e. lots of cash in carrier bags at exchange time!
 
Matt H said:
That used to be very common in Spain to avoid the horrendous property sale and capital gains taxes. We found lots of properties offered at incredibly low prices only to be told what the real deal was later. i.e. lots of cash in carrier bags at exchange time!
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I think they were just trying their luck to see how bad we wanted it. We had already negotiated a non paper bag price, as I dont believe in those sorts of things
 
Thomas aus LAU said:
Similar story with my CUP Zane years ago.

Offered on ebay only with the text "750 S ready for race" and three bad, verry small and blurred pictures.
I had bid a minimal amount and was totally surprised to have won the auction.

When I contacted the seller, he said that he would not be stupid after all and would give away the racing motorcycle for nothing.
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Why would you put a bike like that up with no reserve???!!! Asking for trouble. Very nice looking bike I must say.
 
piranha-bro2 said:
Why would you put a bike like that up with no reserve???!!! Asking for trouble. Very nice looking bike I must say.
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May be he was convinced, that the market is wayting for such a bike and the price will go high?

He had a nice villa with several other bikes.

I didn‘t realy search for a Zane, I bid just for fun some EUR.

By a privat person I would have said „take your bike, i hope you have learnt your lesson.“.

I gave this bike to a very fair price to a member of the LCO who uses this bike for what it was build - on tracks like Spreewaldring or Rieka.

Thomas aus LAU
 
Contract law is pretty clear in most countries. Offer + acceptance = deal done. It doesn't have to be in writing either, but verbal contracts are somewhat more difficult to enforce.

I had the opposite experience to Lothar when I bought my Jota. I had a verbal contract with the seller. We'd agreed on $10k sale price (in 2007). After I left to go and organise the money, another bloke offered $15k, but the seller told him the bike had been sold. I'm grateful to him for honouring our contract.

When I got back to hand over the money and pick the bike up he told me about the other bid. $5000 is a big hit to take on a sale, so I told him I'd pull out if he wanted to take the higher offer. But he was OK with our $10k deal. He knew the other bloke and didn't have a high opinion of him. He said the bloke was an arsehole and he wouldn't have sold him the bike anyway. I was a little sceptical about the whole story until a week or two later when the same guy (mr arsehole) somehow tracked me down and made the $15k offer to me. After listening to his bullshit for a while I understood the "arsehole" comment. Needless to say, he was disappointed in his attempt to buy the Jota.
 
Andy J said:
That’s an interesting story Thomas. I am also interested in the exhaust as the silencers look similar to the ones fitted on the 750 Formula for sale in New Zealand.
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Yeah, they do. Not that there were very many sold here.

I got gazumphed some years back on a Manx purchase. I'd known the bike was there for years - I'd raced against him and knew he'd kept it. So when Classic racing started here, i went to see him and made an offer - which he accepted. Settlement and collection in 10 days.
Went back to find a local dealer had swooped in and upped the offer by $500. Never even contacted me to see if I'd match it either.
Some years later after it had been professionally restored it sold to the UK for $25,000.

The seller who shafted me has been involved in the local classic racing scene for the last couple of years. He avoids me......
 
Vince said:
Being picky its Offer + acceptance + remuneration = deal done. Or so I hear.
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You're right of course Vince. I was assuming remuneration was involved in a bike sale transaction. I think it's called "consideration" in contract law.

About the time I was born, my parents gave away a portion of their rural land (a few acres) to my dad's sister. Maybe it was a wedding present, I dunno, but there was no payment involved in the title transfer. Not even a token payment of £1 that was usual in such land "gift" arrangements to make the contract binding. My aunt and uncle had grand plans, but never developed the land other than plonking a little cottage in one corner. The aunt and uncle are lone gone, as are my parents. Meanwhile, that parcel of land is still intact and now belongs to their kids (my cousins). It's mostly just overgrown scrub, but it's now surrounded by urban sprawl and is worth about $3 million. I don't know what they plan to do with it, but I sometimes wonder if, as the beneficiary of my parents' estate, I'd have a claim against my cousins to re-posess the land on the grounds that the original transfer contract was never valid because the lack of consideration. Not that I'd ever actually do it, but it's an interesting legal point to ponder. I suppose adverse posession laws would overrule any claim anyway. I'm not even sure my cousins are aware of how their parents acquired the land. I've never had any cause to discuss it with them.
 
in the UK adverse possession laws only work if
you don't have permission to be there,
you don't get any kind of hassle because you are there,
and you don't do it in secret.

or, the three "withouts"
without permission, without, interference, without secret.

but I am not a property lawyer, someone on here is, please comment.

CLEM
 
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