❤ TOP 5 Classic Iconic Italian Motorcycles ever made!

smokey old Jota with unbalanced carbs and a loose Jesus crank nut,
but thanks for posting Dom, I realy enjoyed it,

I was a potential buyer of an MV, I had at that time an 18 month old SF1 and was tempted, the bikes in Gus Khun's in Stockwell winked at me twice a day for about four months when working in Vauxhall (London) the advertising brochure stated that 160MPH was the top speed! impressive, and I was p[issed off with chain maintenance! but a track day at Mallory in conjunction with the MV owners club, put paid to that, I didnt get a ride, then or at any other time (I asked in Khun's) but (I think) Toddy did, watching the dreadfully slow bikes was painfull, and there was an awfull lot of rear wheel locking going into corners, probably rider error, but that didnt excuse the slow acceleration at all points after any corner, they were all getting left for dead, even the ones who looked quick, scuffed boots and leathers etc, stuck with the SF

IIRC Martin Routley dropped his triple right in front of a gaggle of these MV's and it scarred the shit out of them, there never was another joint Lav/MV track day, I wonder why?

CLEM
Hello Clem,

It's always a pleasure to hear from you and your stories... Unfortuately I didn't have a better video of a Laverda Jota to upload in my video, except the unbalanced carbs bike. I know it was not the best way to show a Laverda triple, but it gives the idea of what I was talking about. Cheers.

Domenico
 
Nice video. A very pleasant watch whilst scoffing tea and biscuits during a work break. Well done chap.
You did specify "classic and iconic" right ? I think you missed the mark. Ducati 250 Mach 1,Guzzi V8
and Falcone, Parilla 250 and an early Vespa. Just my 2000 Lira's opinion. Honorable mentions Ducati
750 GT and early 900 SS Bevels, Guzzi V7 Sport, Morini 250 racer ala Provini. Of course that is a very
quick reflex comeback with lots of other contenders on reflection. To this day especially the Benelli Sei
all I see is interchangeable Honda CB500 Four components badged as Benelli. I think it would be much
less stressful to nominate five classic and iconic Italian food dishes rather than motorcycles.
In a certain way you are right about that it would probably be less stressful to name 5 iconic food dishes rather then motorbikes... 😀 but in my video I was concentrated mainly on the so called maxi-moto, the big girls that tried to fight back the Japanese advancing worldwide. I should have included Moto Morini 350, but it wasn't a big bike, so I left it out. Cheers. Domenico
 
The video just sells advertising space.
What happened to Gilera or MM?

Paul
My first motorbike was a Gilera 50 Trial when I was 17. But with all my respect for Gilera, Moto Morini, Vespa, Cagiva etc. those are just another category.

P.S. In my real profession I truly operate in the industry of online marketing & advertising, but in other sectors that is not motorcycling. 😀
 
I knew I was smart when I popped $20 at the Del Mar motorcycle show/concours years ago for
the Factory MV America sales brochure. I visited with Lance Weill years ago and he had an MV
750 America for sale. I think the ask was $30K. The Ducati Desmosedici bike for a previous era
of look what I have !! Now,if you have the incredibly ugly,angular....did I say ugly ? MV 600, now
you're talking bragging rights FOREVER.
 
Motorcycle styling seems to be following the pattern of a number of 'democratic' 1st world countries - ie divided. Angular 'transformers' vs retro newbies. AI vs home made. Etc etc
 
I had to laugh reading Clem´s words re the MV. I knew about the reality of those bikes back in the day, they are definitely far better in the imagination than the real world with regards handling and speed, (however with those speedos the riders probably were seeing 160mph before hitting the brakes). The reliability wouldn´t likely matter as most probably spent most of their lives in that lounge room so oft quoted by Mr Marx, waiting as the price increased year by year. Some of the other offerings have likely been ridden into the ground and rebuilt numerous times before they end up there.
 
"It's always a pleasure to hear from you and your stories... Unfortuately I didn't have a better video of a Laverda Jota to upload in my video, except the unbalanced carbs bike. I know it was not the best way to show a Laverda triple, but it gives the idea of what I was talking about"

don't worry Dom, its probably me being highly critical and wrong at the same time, the thing is, I hear and see a lot of triples that start on two cylinders and then idle badly, the same bikes need half choke to restart a warm or hot engine. Both of these demonstrate wrong settings! I have no idea of statistics but of those who do home maintenance, I have only come accross a very few who even own a device for acurately balancing the carbs, about double that number own a good torque wrench.

recently I came accross a situation of note, the individual concerened is largley a British bike fan, and he owns and restores around a bike every two years, rarely selling on, but he has owned several modern bikes, BMW twins and Jap V twins and fours, (these come and go) currently he has a Scott, a Rudge, a BSA twin (single carb), a 410 touring BSA Gold Star with 5 speed, a T120 Triumph twin (two carbs) a Sunbeam, an AJS, a 250BSA in a Suzuki chassis. His current bike is a BMW R90S with twin Dellortto's. I was asked if I would like to ride the bike, which I accepted, oh boy was it a nice ride, but the tyres felt ancient and hard (slightly damp roads) and it was hard to start and re-start, it went OK, pulled strongly, I didnt see much more than 100MPH maybe 103/5. I suggested that he get new tyres (later found that the originals were 14 years old!) and sort the carbs, this I did for him, taking the carbs home with me, and then later he brought the bike to my workshop for fitting of same and balancing, yes balancing! he thought that looking at the carb throats and making sure the slides move together was OK, once set up the bike started easilly and restarted good as well,he was well pleased, but I never did balance the carbs on his Bonny! he still does not posesss any balancng instrumentation, and has had the carbs apart to fit new cables (higher handlebars), but rebalanced his own way. This man is an engineer and does cylinder head work, rebores and crank grinding on a daily basis.

This makes he think that a pol would interesting, Laverda triple owners only, who do all their own work, question one, do you have carb balancing instrumentation, and question two, do you have acurate low scale torque wrench (8mm cam studs?) and acurate higher scale torque wrench (9mm cylinder studs?)

CLEM
 
That's what I meant when I said I had owned my 3c for a decade and it sounded completely different after John Wilson fitted his Ignision and the carbs got balanced. I bought Mercury Gauges after hearing that idle sound.
 
"It's always a pleasure to hear from you and your stories... Unfortuately I didn't have a better video of a Laverda Jota to upload in my video, except the unbalanced carbs bike. I know it was not the best way to show a Laverda triple, but it gives the idea of what I was talking about"

don't worry Dom, its probably me being highly critical and wrong at the same time, the thing is, I hear and see a lot of triples that start on two cylinders and then idle badly, the same bikes need half choke to restart a warm or hot engine. Both of these demonstrate wrong settings! I have no idea of statistics but of those who do home maintenance, I have only come accross a very few who even own a device for acurately balancing the carbs, about double that number own a good torque wrench.

recently I came accross a situation of note, the individual concerened is largley a British bike fan, and he owns and restores around a bike every two years, rarely selling on, but he has owned several modern bikes, BMW twins and Jap V twins and fours, (these come and go) currently he has a Scott, a Rudge, a BSA twin (single carb), a 410 touring BSA Gold Star with 5 speed, a T120 Triumph twin (two carbs) a Sunbeam, an AJS, a 250BSA in a Suzuki chassis. His current bike is a BMW R90S with twin Dellortto's. I was asked if I would like to ride the bike, which I accepted, oh boy was it a nice ride, but the tyres felt ancient and hard (slightly damp roads) and it was hard to start and re-start, it went OK, pulled strongly, I didnt see much more than 100MPH maybe 103/5. I suggested that he get new tyres (later found that the originals were 14 years old!) and sort the carbs, this I did for him, taking the carbs home with me, and then later he brought the bike to my workshop for fitting of same and balancing, yes balancing! he thought that looking at the carb throats and making sure the slides move together was OK, once set up the bike started easilly and restarted good as well,he was well pleased, but I never did balance the carbs on his Bonny! he still does not posesss any balancng instrumentation, and has had the carbs apart to fit new cables (higher handlebars), but rebalanced his own way. This man is an engineer and does cylinder head work, rebores and crank grinding on a daily basis.

This makes he think that a pol would interesting, Laverda triple owners only, who do all their own work, question one, do you have carb balancing instrumentation, and question two, do you have acurate low scale torque wrench (8mm cam studs?) and acurate higher scale torque wrench (9mm cylinder studs?)

CLEM
My mechanic is just doing the carbs balancing on my Mirage and I'll go to pick it up on Tuesday. I hope. 🙂

Dom
 
"It's always a pleasure to hear from you and your stories... Unfortuately I didn't have a better video of a Laverda Jota to upload in my video, except the unbalanced carbs bike. I know it was not the best way to show a Laverda triple, but it gives the idea of what I was talking about"

don't worry Dom, its probably me being highly critical and wrong at the same time, the thing is, I hear and see a lot of triples that start on two cylinders and then idle badly, the same bikes need half choke to restart a warm or hot engine. Both of these demonstrate wrong settings! I have no idea of statistics but of those who do home maintenance, I have only come accross a very few who even own a device for acurately balancing the carbs, about double that number own a good torque wrench.

recently I came accross a situation of note, the individual concerened is largley a British bike fan, and he owns and restores around a bike every two years, rarely selling on, but he has owned several modern bikes, BMW twins and Jap V twins and fours, (these come and go) currently he has a Scott, a Rudge, a BSA twin (single carb), a 410 touring BSA Gold Star with 5 speed, a T120 Triumph twin (two carbs) a Sunbeam, an AJS, a 250BSA in a Suzuki chassis. His current bike is a BMW R90S with twin Dellortto's. I was asked if I would like to ride the bike, which I accepted, oh boy was it a nice ride, but the tyres felt ancient and hard (slightly damp roads) and it was hard to start and re-start, it went OK, pulled strongly, I didnt see much more than 100MPH maybe 103/5. I suggested that he get new tyres (later found that the originals were 14 years old!) and sort the carbs, this I did for him, taking the carbs home with me, and then later he brought the bike to my workshop for fitting of same and balancing, yes balancing! he thought that looking at the carb throats and making sure the slides move together was OK, once set up the bike started easilly and restarted good as well,he was well pleased, but I never did balance the carbs on his Bonny! he still does not posesss any balancng instrumentation, and has had the carbs apart to fit new cables (higher handlebars), but rebalanced his own way. This man is an engineer and does cylinder head work, rebores and crank grinding on a daily basis.

This makes he think that a pol would interesting, Laverda triple owners only, who do all their own work, question one, do you have carb balancing instrumentation, and question two, do you have acurate low scale torque wrench (8mm cam studs?) and acurate higher scale torque wrench (9mm cylinder studs?)

CLEM
Yes to both, mercury gauges and two torque wrenches, one in inch/lbs and the other in ft/lbs. Both from my helicopter days: remember that a click type torque wrench that has been dropped is no longer in calibration, at least not for use on aircraft! In my flight test days, the calibration lab at McDonnell-Douglas said that a new Snap-on torque wrench was considered to be calibrated for 365 days from date of purchase, after that it needed yearly recertification. Also the upper and lower 10% of the range were considered to be inaccurate.
 
Yes to both, mercury gauges and two torque wrenches, one in inch/lbs and the other in ft/lbs. Both from my helicopter days: remember that a click type torque wrench that has been dropped is no longer in calibration, at least not for use on aircraft! In my flight test days, the calibration lab at McDonnell-Douglas said that a new Snap-on torque wrench was considered to be calibrated for 365 days from date of purchase, after that it needed yearly recertification.
Interesting to know.
 
I can remember MV 750 in the window of ABC motorcycles West Drayton in the late seventies- Lal & Bosher used to do chain drive conversions just before I started with them and I am bloody sure they did at least one monoshock conversion.. imagine it’s back to standard now!
 
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