120 Jota wiring diagram

Rob, your work here is appreciated.
There is a history of separatism and secrecy within the ILOC. I have experienced it many times since I joined in 1979.
Quite frankly the elitism of the ILOC does not sit well in this modern day and age.
Your online repository will be available for ILOC members only. Non-UK members will receive a bi-monthly magazine and are welcome to attend any of the many UK-centred events run or attended by the ILOC.
But that is not a possibility for many overseas members.
I have experienced much generosity and sharing of information on this and the previous website.
If people like Red and JLO are willing to release and divulge hard-earned information to this forum then I think it puts the ILOC attitude in the crapper.
 
Rob, as Grant says, your efforts here are much appreciated but stamping out an effort to help a genuine enthusiast on the other side of the world doesn't sit well with me as you may have noticed. There's something amiss when the club can't afford to be generous with a wiring diagram.
I'm honestly not sure what the ILOC is all about really and yes I appreciate that much hard work has gone into archiving this information but it's all too us and them for me.
 
I think this little 'spat' is a typical problem with the internet  - there is alot of information on the internet that people think should be free and available to all. This is a problem that alot of publishers are coming up with - what with books being published in electronic format and then being put on free download sites - thus the authors/publishers don't get any money for their efforts.

Now this is not wholely the case for this wiring diagram as of course it comes from a old Lavarda manual - the publishers (Laverda) have long since gone bust and don't worry about loss of copyright; but its along the same lines of people thinking all information should be free. Scanning in the stuff for the library cost the iloc several hundred pounds (A3 scanner, software, backups + plus of course 34 years of work for someone to buy/collect the material) and also a few hundred man hours to put it together. Someone had to pay for it and of course its the iloc members who did via the subscriptions. One of the reasons for creating the library was to act as a 'sales' tool to bring in new members who wanted to be able to access the technical information. Of course the club would be mad to provide this for free.

Re the charge of separatism and secrecy within the club I must say I have not come across this at all during the year I have been a member. Perhaps in the past it might have been elitist but with the modern age of openess created by the internet I would have thought this is over. I must say that everyone within the club has been very helpful and open with me on all occassions

Just going to hide for cover..............

Regards
Julian
 
There is no 'little spat' here.
What we have here is basically pay-per-view vs free-to-air.
The subject matter in question is by now in the public domain, and I am sure could have as easily been posted by quite a few other sources without this hoo ha.

This forum is a free service for like-minded motorcycle enthusiasts (and a few others no doubt) and it is working because of the desire across the world of individuals to help each other, and not for profit.

Tell me someone in this day and age who has a PC, internet access and NO scanner. They are 10 a penny these days so that argument is futile.
I am not trying to rubbish the ILOC in principle, but this is another example of a side of it that is unpalatable.

If / when the Wiki content ever gets up and running (who is looking into that by the way?) then people will be able to access all sorts of information for free. Or they can go look in Laverdamania, also for free.

To each his (or her) own. I stand by MY experiences gained over the past 32 years of off and on ILOC membership. I am pretty sure I am not alone in this.
 
Julian, I know that the person who asked for the information wasn't trying to get a sneaky free look at a prized ILOC crown jewel. He just wanted some wiring information for his bike. I think the club could be a bit more magnanimous sometimes. I haven't seen much in the clubs archives that isn't available elsewhere anyway. I'm one of the subscription payers you mention and I dont mind the club letting someone have a peek at a wiring diagram occasionally. The ILOC sometimes gives the impression that it would like some kind of strangle hold on everything to do with the marque.
I would like to be proved wrong by the way. Regards Pat.   
 
As a non Laverda owning member of the ILOC, only recent I must add, it seems a little strange that this row has blown up. I will freely give my advice and give a dam where you buy. I like Jane at Sprockets Unlimited although I not sure if she feels the same about me and will give anybody the number of B&C Express where I get my sprockets.

If there were millions of Laverda owners then to keep some sort of order regarding information may make some sense but from what I see the Laverda owners in the main are a feindly helpful bunch of guys with the sole intention of keeping the name of Laverdas alive. It would seem appropriate for all information to be commonly available with some acknowledgement of where the said information came from rather than for it to be summarily removed.

Me thinks somebody hasnt thought this through as with the interweb I would have thought a little digging would turn up just about any information needed.

Come on lads put the handbags down and kiss. I have seen a few spats on the Laverda forums and they always help nobody and cause shit.

Andy
 
Hi all

somehow I missed this thread until now....

Brad is clearly in a conflict, hosting us bunch for free, while running the ILOC web site etc. I say, so what, I am grateful for the home for laverdaforum, the work done by Brad, and the costs personaly shouldered by him. You lot need to know he has refused my offers to pay for the hosting etc., this laverdaforum is on his dime for your benefit.....

I knew coming into this arrangement there was a clear conflict, more of a concern for the ILOC than for me actually, and Brad has done a great job keeping his roles seperated, to our great benefit. I suspect it may even have caused him some stress from the ILOC, but I don't know for sure.

pretty much anything the ILOC has scanned into its web library is easily available elsewhere. They did the work, spent the money and precious time, they can reap what benefits there may be from scanning and archiving documents, if any, no issue whatsoever from me.

if I was in the UK I would be thrilled to have access to special tools, lots of gatherings, etc. I have always struggled with the International part of the name of the ILOC, seems to me it might just as well be called the UKLOC, but hey, what do I care, there was a reason I started an independant forum al those years and posts ago, while making every effort to maintain cordial relations with all the clubs out there including the ILOC.....

left over from my closing of my law practice is a large commercial high speed auto feed digital document scanner which hooks up to a computer network or directly to the internet on its own ip address. It is sitting in the back of my garage covered with a tarp. No problem running an internet cable and a power cord to it, if anyone needs any digital copies of anything that can be legitimately scanned and provided, such as out of print Laverda manuals and wiring diagrames, no problem........ :D

Paul LeClair
 
Paul, it's just another storm in a teacup and I'm sorry if I upset anyone but I didn't like what I saw as mean spirited behaviour.
Dont think the ILOC is for me though really, should never have rejoined.
Regards Pat.
 
Hi fellas, this is the best I can do to help a fellow laverda tragic. It comes from my much battered much wetted original owners manual. Regards M
 

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Hi folks

As usual, Paul's is the voice of calm reason. I agree with his comments entirely.

Huge thanks to Brad for hosting and maintaining this forum. I have no problem whatsoever with Brad pulling ILOC documents off these pages if that's what he needs to do to manage any potential conflict of interest with his role in ILOC.

I live outside the UK. I'm not a member of ILOC and have never felt the need to be. All the Laverda-related information I've ever needed has been available through other sources, as "120 jota" has just demonstrated by posting his own copy of the wiring diagram that started this contretemps.

I have nothing against ILOC. Any group of people can form any kind of club they like, call it what they like, and make whatever rules they like. Why would I care? The ILOC is about as relevant to my needs as the Ethiopian Steam-Powered Knitting Machine Club.

Mind you, I've always thought it a wee bit pompous for the club to call itself the International Laverda Owners Club, when it clearly isn't, but I don't lose any sleep over it.

If ILOC was to offer e-membership (email newsletters and internet library access) to overseas punters at a discounted price, then I'd consider signing up for that. But I can't really see the point in paying for full membership of a UK-based club when I live on the other side of the planet.

A couple of mates here in Tasmania have been tossing around the idea of starting Club Laverda of Tasmania - CLOT  :D

Cheers,
Cam

 
mauricejota7604 said:
Hey how are you Steve could you also tell me if the front coil fires the right cylinder  (as seen from sitting on the bike)??
Centre coil centre cylinder and rear coil left cylinder?
Thanks,
M.
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Hi Maurice,

Nice little fuss you've started here!   :P  Honestly, we get one of these little hissy-fits over the "I"LOC every year or two when they do something that seems a little irrational to the rest of us.  They've always been something of an enigma to me, and I suspect always will be.  Let it go people.

As for the coils, I don't have any 120J's here anymore and do not entirely recall, but on RG's it's usually front and centre coil with HT leads exiting coil on LHS for left and centre cylinders, and rear coil with HT exiting RHS for right cylinder.  Think the Jota is the same.  It mainly depends on how the coils sit in their brackets and what the most logical path for the HT lead is.

Cheers
Steve B

Edit: clarified coil description
 
G'day Maurice,
Do you think the wiring diagram you need would be the same as an RGA's. If so, I can slip an A3 copy in the post tomorrow.

Regards

Terry
 
Hey thanks Steve and Terry I am not sure if it is the same as the RGA as the coils in the 120 are different to the RGS/SFC I am under the impression the front coil feeds the right hand cylinder this seems to contradict what Steve is thinking I guess there is only going to be two combinations assuming the centre coil fires the centre cylinder.
Hey Terry does the front coil fire the right hand cylinder on the RGS?
Thanks,
M.
 
Hi Maurice,PM your address to me I have a very clear copy in A4 ready to go in the mailbag to you- straight from the manual Regards M
 
Maurice,

YES, but I'll check tonight when I get home just to make sure.

Terry
 
Maurice,
Once you have the wiring done, earth the 3 plugs out on the engine.
Have no plugs installed to do this.

Turn ignition on, turn engine over by hand, see which plug fires, when one fires, stop, identify which cylinder is at TDC.
That plug then belongs to that cylinder.
Just keep turning and stopping until you have all 3 identified.

Easy as cracking a stubby.

 
Hey all

I just want to come back to the ILOC little fuss. I am not a member because I dont agree with the yearly fee. For me it would be a waste of money while I am sitting in South Africa.. I know that putting their library together must have cost a few bob, but I am sure they have covered that bill a long time ago. It would have been fine if they ask a joining fee, but a yearly fee is a bit useless for international members.

I would like to see a library on this site. Although I have most probably all the info already I would still like it. I know it cost money to set something up and I am more than happy to make a donation towards the bill. I think there will be other people on this site that would do the same. The beauty of the internet is that we can get a company in India or Mexico to do the job and it would cost us no more than a Tandoori Chicken or a couple of Burritos??
 
If anyone does want to setup a library for this forum I would be delighted to help in providing details of how we went about the one for iloc. After all there is no point in reinventing the wheel.

Despite what people think scanning and displaying on the web a few hundred documents is not as strightforward as it sounds. A home scanner is fine for one or two documents but you need a speedy one for manuals - you need to be able to scan 2/3 pages a minuite to make it worthwhile.

Yes, the scanning is the easy part the difficulty comes when deciding how to provide them online. A 100 page manual can easily take 40Mbytes so even with broadband this takes abit of time to download. Colour phots are even bigger - I remember 6 pages of A3 photos was about 250Mbytes. There are technical ways of speeding the download up so it only takes a second or tow to download this size of document. In addition you have to decide how to present the documents in a presentable manner. There are commercially avilable systems which do the job for very little cost (but it takes time to get them working)

The iloc library took about 6 months to do - Alot of time was spent getting the technical details of the package used to host the pages working (you need a good IT literate person to do this - its not easy), then it took 3 months or so to scan the documents.

As I said earlier it cost a few hundred pounds for the scanner, software etc

If anyone does feel like giving it a go then please get in contact and I can provide more details

Regards
Julian


 
  Seems a bit pointless doing it all over again to me. Can't a paypal subscription service be devised for non members or make the whole lot available for sale on a searchable disc for say the price of a years membership ? Bit of work for somebody I apreciate but surely the primary aim of a one marque club should be to help the enthusiasts of the marque get out on their Laverdas and enjoy them.


    Keith.
 
 
Keith I agree...

I think the best option for our free site is to start a new topic where every member puts down a list of what he have... then we just ask them to email the documents...

Like this is my list...

RGS_tech_manual
1200 180_manual
1200 180_partslist
laverda-colors
Partslist-81Jota _ 1200 series 2
parts-RGS-RGA-SFC
Riders_manual_1000_1200

and so on...
 
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