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laverdakeith said:
  Seems a bit pointless doing it all over again to me. Can't a paypal subscription service be devised for non members or make the whole lot available for sale on a searchable disc for say the price of a years membership ? Bit of work for somebody I apreciate but surely the primary aim of a one marque club should be to help the enthusiasts of the marque get out on their Laverdas and enjoy them.


    Keith.
 
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I know may other forums have a 'donation' system in place just fior this type of situation. 'donations' are/could be and most are, on a volantary basis and the best bit is, it works..  I'm sure many needing information would freely give a donation to the forum for soft/hard copy of info required. I have a mechanical aptitude of sorts and an understanding of how it should work but many are new and have little knowlege and experiance. Most impart knowledge and experiance freely, which is why there here isnt it !!! (HTH). iloc can do as they wish but shouldnt be able to stop domain info from being a help to others in need and getting the Lav on the road.
 
Hi all,
  Have started a thread on the ILOC form,asking the membership/committee to look again at the cost of membership for non UK members + plus the possiblity of  creating a CD of techical data.
Nothing will change over night,but hopefully a discussion will take place.

Time wiil tell,
Andy
 
I don't think there is anything protectionist or enigmatic about the ILOC, it's a fairly typical club staffed by volunteers who do what they can within the limited resources available to them. There are some high calibre , hardworking folks on the committee who work long hours for precious little thanks, a point amply demostrated by some of the comments in this thread.

I'm not a member any more but my reason for not particpating in club activities any more is nothing to do with how the club is run. The reason I don't participate is because of the abuse I recieved from certain members whilst I was trying to do things which I believed would benefit the club [such as bringing the V6 over to the UK].

The most voiciferous complainers are usually the people who stand on the touchlines shouting the odds but doing very little if anything to help promote the aims of the club. A huge amount of work has gone into extablishing the technical database, I think it's only sensible that the club expects something back from people if they want to have the benefit of access to the information that guys like Julian and Rob [Brad] have worked so hard to make accessible. One of the reasons it has such an impressive database is because John Faulkener the archivist , has worked tirelessly accumulating anything and everything printed on paper which is remotely connected to the marque. Of course the club's primary aim is to promote the use of Laverdas but surely it's entitled to expect a little something in return such as an ongoing membership fee? It's how most other of the bike clubs operate in order to remain sustainable.


The ILOC is run as a democracy, the best advice I would give to people who want to change the way the club operates is to get involved with the running of the club and change from within. In facxt I might even renew my membership just to annoy the naysayers! :D :D
 
While taking absolutely nothing away from the hard work and dedication of all those involved, past and present, in the active participation and running of the ILOC I think the point has been missed or avoided that the ILOC requires a fee to join in order to access the data held within it's grasp.
This forum is a free access option to all things Laverda. Is the world ready for, or does it need, pay-per-view vs  free-to-air access to information for what is after all a single marque club.

The ILOC works well for members based in the UK, but less so for those abroad. The 25 pounds annual membership gives overseas members a bimonthly magazine and access to said information, Tools are not shared abroad.
There has been some talk about changing the fee or mode of access for overseas ILOC members, but maybe that is too little too late.

Everyone's opinion of the ILOC is personal, and I can only speak as I find, and over the 32 years I have been an off and on member I have come across certain instances where a bad taste was left in my mouth from dealings with the ILOC.

YMMV.

The possibility arises where a free to air internet forum, especially one that networks and interacts as well as this one, may one day challenge (inadvertantly or otherwise) and ultimately replace pay-per-view traditional type clubs.

Surely we should have the best interests of all things Laverda at heart, and that means reaching out to as many people who need help with their Laverdas.
 
Another way to look at it may be this, a copy of the green book costs around twenty five quid, look at how much more information is available to download and keep for a yearly subscription to the ILOC....not that much money is it?
 


    Keith.
 
The internet can be a wondeful thing and there is no doubt that the Laverda community which exists around this particular forum is probably one of the best of its type on the net, which is all credit to the members on here and the forum administrators.

In the old days people joined the ILOC for the social side of things, the access to technical help and possibly to see what was available in the small ads. A lot of these benefits are undoubtedly being replaced or overtaken by web based substitutes. Because of this a club has to move with the times and I think the ILOC has tried to do this.

Consider this; The V6 had never been seen or heard on a UK track until its first appearance at Mallory a few years ago. This appearance was only made possible because the ILOC had accrued funds from member's subscriptions and underwrote the financial risk of funding the Laverda Corse team travelling costs. This simply wouldn't have been possible if the ILOC had been a free-to-join club.
The appearance of the V6 had a tangible effect on the perception of the marque in the UK and awareness of Laverda in classic circles is now higher than ever. I think indirectly it even had an effect on the rising values of Laverdas! It certainly had a galvanising effect on a lot of UK members many of whom dusted their bikes off and started getting out to club meets. The Mallory Festival is now a firm favourite on many UK laverda enthusiast calendars, this would not have happened without the ILOC support and involvement.


I think the overseas membership thing is a bit of an anachronism nowadays but it has its origins in an era when Laverdas were rare and exclusive with a very sparse support network for enthusiasts wanting the benefits outlined above which a club can provide. Overseas members would join knowing full well they might be unable to take part in the social events but at least the club mag provided a conduit for them to stay in touch with like-minded enthusiasts.

 
Didn't you have to do quite a lot of persuading Bob to get them to agree to put any money into the V6 visit?
 
Indeed I did Pat, or to be more precise, Ray Rufus Shone did. The thing is, it was only a couple of individuals on the committee objected to the proposal [as they were entitled to do], it was a bit frustrating at the time but eventually the project got off the ground.

I hope people won't judge the ILOC as a whole simply because a few years ago a couple of volunteer committee members didn't agree that bringing the V6 over was a good idea. If it ain't your thing , it ain't your thing even it it seems crazy to some of us.
Thankfully the V6 proposal was voted in by the majority of the committee and once the proposal was agreed the supporting committee and club members rolled their sleeves up and got stuck in to make it all happen.

There are plenty of members in the club who aren't in the least bit interested in racing and stuff like that and I'm not going to be judgmental about that. We all like different aspects of motorcycling, that's what makes motorcyclists such a diverse bunch. Somehow the club has to juggle the interests of all the members and try to accomodate them.

 
Well I think the club is being held back and needs to move forward into the modern world.
I dont think they know what their members think actually.
I looked at the list of members when I joined and I know that certain peoples bikes haven't turned a wheel in many a long year yet they keep their subscriptions up.
Time is/has passed the ILOC by and it seems firmly stuck in the past. I write this as an old git myself.
I think somewhere it was stated that only 25% of members use the clubs internet facility.
It seems like the majority of members are satisfied with the status quo so there you are.
That''s my view and I'm sure there will be many people thinking well if you dont like it then sod off.

So I will.  :D


 
well if you dont like it then sod off.

So I will.  Cheesy
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Great.  Another active contributor to the club hands out abuse and tells us what's wrong - but doesn't do anything to help us "move forward into the modern world".  It's an easy life for some...

 
There have been a few suggestions made here how the ILOC can move forward into the modern age.

How about La Vera Vista online and reduce the annual fee?

How about doing more for overseas members?

How about doing more for people who have a genuine (new) interest in the marque?
This forum seems to be attracting a hell of a lot of new owners and is dispensing much-needed advice on everything from which oil, tyres, to where to buy spares.
Real grass roots stuff.

In the end the Laverdisti will vote with their feet and if the ILOC is doing such a good job then they have nothing to worry about.
In the meantime this forum goes from strength to strength.

I think that by individuals pointing out their issues with the ILOC then that surely is a start towards helping them move forward into the modern world, if they are listening.
Or is the ILOC just prepared to let those disgruntled people drift away so the status quo is maintained?
 
What is the problem with the ILOC?  It's just a club you know.  The 'I' for International is because it was the first in the world (I think) and was started in the UK by an American.

I've never met anyone from this list (apart from Laverdakeith, Red and Max) because this list doesn't do rallies but I've made some good Laverda friends through the ILOC cos that's something they do.

Organise a rally yourself (scary but fun) and suddenly you can become part of the dreaded 'inner circle' ie the members who actually do something for the club.  Write an article- it's fun to relive a ride, although for many a decent ride seems off the agenda these days...  But fer fup's sake, don't take it too seriously, it's only a bike club.

No club is perfect, but if you don't like it, stand for the comittee and do summat about it!
 
It certainly isn't an easy life for me Rob, I can tell you ha ha!

Let's see..... maybe I'm not a club type of person at heart really.
In all honesty I cant see what the club offers someone like myself except the camaraderie of
fellow enthusiasts and being mean with a wiring diagram isn't my idea of camararderie.

I thought the ILOC stand at Stafford was very impressive and rejoining and paying my subscription was, if you like, my contribution to the efforts of the people involved but all in all I've decided I dont feel comfortable as a member.

Anyway, dont be so sarky Rob, it's not personal. As has been said before by many people including myself, your efforts with this site are greatly appreciated.

The thing is though if this site with all its information, interaction and activity was the actual ILOC site then I would say wow what a great job the ILOC are doing. So why isn't it like that? I'm genuinely puzzled by the situation.

Please dont take anything I've said personally. Regards Pat.

Just seen your post Reggie, yes organising rallies etc etc would I'm sure get you into the inner sanctum but it just isn't possible for most of us is it? Even attending any event is difficult for some people too.
In my opinion there is absolutely nothing wrong with having a forthright discussion about things either.




 

 
I remember when the 'I' in ILOC meant something.

I have written a few things for the ILOC over the years.

I have organised a bike rally (not in the ILOC admittedly).

I have met many people both in this forum and in the ILOC (and some were in both too). I met them in the UK, in Australia, in Holland, in Spain. I got out there and met up with them. I sought these people out because I felt a bond with them, not because I was a club member with them.
The only other Laverda club I have experience of is the Dutch one, a very nice club as far as I could see. Well run and organised.

The attraction for me of this forum is that it does not need an inner circle, a committee. Sure it has moderators, but they are usually very laid back and don't have need to throw their weight about (as was evidenced in LP). This forum will evolve into something more tangible perhaps.
The start of this is the proposed meet up at Spa this year for Europeans (or anyone else who is in the area). In the US there are discussions to hold a meeting or meetings. In Australia there are moves also to meet up.

If you read what I have said you may wonder why I am so passionate about what I see as negatives of being an overseas member of the ILOC. Maybe it is because I feel it could be so much more than it has become.
Will I (want to) join the committee to try to make changes? Unlikely from a base deep in Spain.

I have mentioned before about the Laverda Club Espa?a, more of a bit of fun really, but I may consider starting it for real, all overseas members welcome. Tools loaned. Minimal rules, no committee.
Why will I not? Because this forum addresses my needs better than most of what the ILOC or any other subscription club has to offer.
Anyone can and does contribute to this forum in great depth and breadth on a wide variety of topics. It has become a living entity. There is also intellectual property on this forum, moves to archive technical information and supplier base etc. Many people (including Brad) have contributed some excellent hard work to get this forum to where it is today.

I still maintain it could evolve into a truly international 'club' that could meet the needs of all Laverdisti in the modern world.
 
Just seen your post Reggie, yes organising rallies etc etc would I'm sure get you into the inner sanctum but it just isn't possible for most of us is it? Even attending any event is difficult for some people too.
In my opinion there is absolutely nothing wrong with having a forthright discussion about things either.
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Not that getting into the inner circle was my aim!  More to do with having a rally I was actually able to attend; if I didn't do one up here I'd never be able to see anyone :D

Grant, it's all cool- nothing wrong with concentrating on the forum, as long as people a putting in some effort somewhere to keep an aspect of Laverda life active.

I meet heaps of people from all over the world in my job and because of some pictures I have in a folder of touring routes I did, quite a few of them find out I ride, and of those who ride themselves I reckon hardly any of them have ever even heard of Laverdas...
 
I've heard comments about the ILOC inner circle levelled at the club in the past , in fact I've even been accused of being part of it! In my experience the so-called ILOC inner circle simply doesn't exist, or perhaps it did and they kept is secret from me....bastards. >:(
In fact I'd go as far as to say the club is very inclusive and anybody with a bright idea or a proposal to improve the club is always listened to and taken seriously.

I also remember seeing a comment on a forum about the club being elitist by one guy who complained that he was a new member who turned up at the Festival of 1000 Bikes and was hurt because nobody spoke to him.
How you can turn up at a major motorcycle gathering of any sort and not find somebody to talk to is beyond me . Shutting people up is usually the biggest problem :D

The one thing a club can offer over a web based forum is a club mag, which is still very popular with the majority of members. People like to have a printed record of club business. My suggestion for improving the club [if I was a member :D] would be to produce four high quality mags per instead of the current six. Like any club magazine it is a difficult task filling the mag with good contributions from members and I have felt for some time that a quarterly format could bring improvements in both the quality of the articles and the quality of the print and presentation.



 
 
"I also remember seeing a comment on a forum about the club being elitist by one guy who complained that he was a new member who turned up at the Festival of 1000 Bikes and was hurt because nobody spoke to him.
How you can turn up at a major motorcycle gathering of any sort and not find somebody to talk to is beyond me . Shutting people up is usually the biggest problem"

This is a genuine problem Bob, been there in the past. Maybe the club should have a greeter like Asda does ha ha!

 
My first experience was climbing out of my car at a rally (before me or the 180 were fit for the road) and Clem, spotting the Laverda sticker on my walking stick, striding over and declaring my stick the fastest around.  Not a bad start considering I didn't even have a bike with me.

That said, lots of the active members have a lot of catching up to do so some may feel left out so you need to be brave, especially at the big bashes.

I always reckoned that doing a small rally or two was a good way to get to know people- you'd be hard pressed to feel ignored when there are only 15 or 20 of you having a pie and a pint in a pub somewhere after a day's riding.  That way you can almost guarantee to find a friendly face at the bigger events.

Oh God, I can almost hear myself talking myself into organising one now.  AAARGH!!!
 
Hey Pat,


I thought you promised to sod off? :D

I think the club has a great deal to offer and am with Brad. What is wrong with some of you guys? Leave of the sniping and ride yer damn bikes. Bob sounds, as ever, like the voice of reason..but lets face it wasn't there to promote his motion and  it fell to Rufus. And there were genuine concerns about personal advantage being gained and assurances given about things like sponsors of the motion NOT being part of Laverda Corsa (er, so are they now?) I voted for the motion actually but I dont think it was for the bringing over of the V6 so much as a donation to Lav Corsa? Doesn't seem to have been proposed again...the cynical might wonder if that is because mission was achieved...me, I am a trusting soul ;) And now that I am sure Bob will be wound up to fever pitch (well,Bob, I've got to make up for the pump jet debacle!) I shall sod off myself.
Nick7
The  Voice  Of Reason :D
 
Reggie3cl said:
That said, lots of the active members have a lot of catching up to do so some may feel left out so you need to be brave, especially at the big bashes.
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I think that can be a problem, especially with club stands at shows as it's very easy to get engrossed in conversations with people you haven't seen for ages. I know people who've complained about being ignored at club stands but you can spend an entire weekend breaking off conversations with people you know in order to talk to people who might be interested...

Reggie3cl said:
I always reckoned that doing a small rally or two was a good way to get to know people- you'd be hard pressed to feel ignored when there are only 15 or 20 of you having a pie and a pint in a pub somewhere after a day's riding.  That way you can almost guarantee to find a friendly face at the bigger events.

Oh God, I can almost hear myself talking myself into organising one now.  AAARGH!!!
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Go on, you know you want to really. I promise I'll try to get there if you do.

It's a source of some embarrassment that I've never made it to one of your mini-rallies before & I only made it to a couple of the ones Russell organised.
 
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