1977 Jota - Frame number

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Milko

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Dear All,
I've bought a 1977 Jota after many years away, I used to be a Motodd customer back in the day. I've bought it as a "Sunday" bike with a Monster doing daily duty.
DVLA have requested some details including a photo of the frame number. But the frame has been nicely powder coated and nowt is obvious.
Where do I find the Frame number? (Angle grinder and flap wheel poised in hand).
 
DGM on the frame, actual frame number on the headstock, as my faultering recall would have it..... removed tank would reveal all i would think, is the case for Australian delivery Laverda. HTH J
 
Paul Marx said:
Faultered
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Indeed, as English language continues to evolve, etymological abstractions will be part of that process, past present and future tense will be dynamic, as it ever has been the case, obliged to the French for notable etymology and subsequant "quirks". Thank you Paul, for the indication. There remains the full printed volumes of OED dictionary set here, 20 volumes in all. OED Portable, Concise edition, 1911 first publication, as quick reference. HTH j.
 
Google must have saved 100’s of thousands trees, making paper dictionaries and encyclopaedias almost redundant.


Although, there is a book I’d like to buy as a gift. I heard an interview with the writer on the radio.

A 13 year old boys account of growing up in country Victoria.
His name: Maurice Turner 😮

If I can remember the title, maybe google will help, I’ll jot it down on a piece of pape…… okay, cancel paragraph one.
 
iis_iis said:
Indeed, as English language continues to evolve, etymological abstractions will be part of that process, past present and future tense will be dynamic, as it ever has been the case, obliged to the French for notable etymology and subsequant "quirks". Thank you Paul, for the indication. There remains the full printed volumes of OED dictionary set here, 20 volumes in all. OED Portable, Concise edition, 1911 first publication, as quick reference. HTH j.
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Nutting to do with frame numbers but there is a fantastic film with Mel Gibson (Mad Max himself) and Sean Penn (Mad man role) about the creation of the OED. I have the two volume Shorter Oxford.
Frame numbers on Lav were always on LH engine mount but some countries demanded that they be put up on the steering head and apparently some frames have them in both places. The prick who registered my SF2 into the database here put the DGM **** OM as "zero M". I should have done the four hour round trip to make him change it but just left it like that in the paperwork, had already had four or more inspections of the bike at traffic stations all over southern Norway because they didn't know how they could tick their boxes for a such a relic.
 
I think that the frame numbers moved to the steering head with the introduction of the 1200 /lay down shock frames. Seeing how the original question was in relation to a 77 Jota one could reasonably assume that the numbers would be on the lhs lower frame near the swingarm pivot.
Not sure that Australia was treated any differently than the majority of markets Laverda were sold into.HTHs
Tom
 
I wonder why DVLA are asking for a photo of the frame number, they usually (if not 100% of the time) rely on us V765 signatories to decipher that on a dating certificate. I am the V765 signatory for the ILOC, if you need a dating certificate or any other help with the DVLA just drop me a message at
clemlav@tinyonline.co.uk

CLEM
ILOC #33
 
ozijotati said:
I think that the frame numbers moved to the steering head with the introduction of the 1200 /lay down shock frames. Seeing how the original question was in relation to a 77 Jota one could reasonably assume that the numbers would be on the lhs lower frame near the swingarm pivot.
Not sure that Australia was treated any differently than the majority of markets Laverda were sold into.HTHs
Tom
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Mostly agree, had at one time a 1976 1200 ( very early sequence number, under 10 ) with frame number on the steering head tube. j
 
chrisk said:
Google must have saved 100’s of thousands trees, making paper dictionaries and encyclopaedias almost redundant.


Although, there is a book I’d like to buy as a gift. I heard an interview with the writer on the radio.

A 13 year old boys account of growing up in country Victoria.
His name: Maurice Turner 😮

If I can remember the title, maybe google will help, I’ll jot it down on a piece of pape…… okay, cancel paragraph one.
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Very droll, am somewhat guilt ridden over the printed OED, then these are one off reference material, for the most part, screen and digital storage mitigate my guilt to some degree.... though in the save the planet, a collection of fountain pens, even a 1940's lucky curve of no great distinction, yet it has history almost palpable, perhaps when we gaze across at the Laverda, it has history on show and hidden in ownership and places arrived, to depart once more for the next adventure, even today perhaps for some or many around the globe. j
 
Tippie said:
I have the two volume Shorter Oxford.
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Bravo Tippie, good man. Have something to hand onto the next generation. As you may be aware, there are two editions, both of relevance in publication era, composition. C T Onions a notable, in very early work. Have also the OED shorter and bought on ebay, sets for my friends, at bargain prices, perception i suppose that old is good for little, in a modern world. Dofs my Arai to you Tippie. j
 
Tippie said:
The prick who registered my SF2 into the database here put the DGM **** OM as "zero M".
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That's not the frame number. It's the homologation or type approval number. All bikes of the same model will have the same homologation number, so it doesn't identify an individual vehicle. The frame number will be stamped somewhere else, either next to the DGM number or on the headstock.

The prefix letters "DGM" stand for "Direzione Generale Motorizzazione", the Italian authority for regulation and approval of motor vehicles.
 
Dellortoman said:
That's not the frame number. It's the homologation or type approval number. All bikes of the same model will have the same homologation number, so it doesn't identify an individual vehicle. The frame number will be stamped somewhere else, either next to the DGM number or on the headstock.

The prefix letters "DGM" stand for "Direzione Generale Motorizzazione", the Italian authority for regulation and approval of motor vehicles.
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He wanted the whole lot: LAVSF2*17424* DGM*12565*OM regardless that I told him that the OM (probably "omogata matricula") was the same for all of that model, didn't really matter. When I got into the place to pay duty the guy couldn't find it, so he tried the zero and there it was.
I hope Milko has an easier time than me. It sounds from what Clem says that he could try a different approach, with a different beurocrat.
 
the number should be LAV.750 SF2*17424*
this is the number that identifies the individual bike, although tha actual identifying difits unique to this bike are only 17424

The DGM number is the type aproval for all bikes of that actual model. looks like a late '74 SF2, check to see if it has 16 fin head and 13 fin cylinder block, but (as always) may have been changed at some point.CLEM
 
The Number read LAV.1110 *4841* so a photo has gone off to DVLA in the effort to get a V5.

The Engine number is 4251 and the bike shows signs of being raced in the distant past so a different engine number doesn't worry me. I want a bike to use rather than polish for concourse. In the 80's I had a blue and white Jota than went rather well.
 
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