1979 Laverda 1200 Mirage green???

I'm in England Paul, the guy I bought it off had it for 7 years but sold it because of health problems. The bike is as he bought it from Slaters. Sounds nice but I haven't had a chance to use it yet. The seat needs some TLC but I've got a refurbished dualseat I can use on it too. I do like the green paint though. Regards Pat.
 
Hi Pat

I am sure you can see where this line of enquiry is going....

I am waiting for Wolfgang to get back from holidays to find out if he may have an original green painted Mirage part I can borrow to take and have the colour analyzed...

Hi all

does anyone know Richard Slater well enough that he might share the paint code or description of the Mirage green with them and then pass it on to me?????? Maybe it is an old Ford Cortina colour or something..... :D

I take Keith's point about the issues associated with trying to colour match from a laptop screen, but as I have never seen another Mirage in the flesh here in western Canada, the odds of being parked beside an original paint green Mirage to compare the paint would seem to be fairly unlikely!

Paul LeClair
 
Mine isn't the original paint, colourwise the nearest match I found years ago was from either an Austin Maxi or Allegro but the flakes were too small. I reckon the green Mirage bits that padlock had for sale were original. Where did they go? You could get a match off a sidepanel.
 
Hi All,

I?ve been following this Forum for a couple of years now but this is an early foray into contributing.  Please be gentle with me !!

I have a 1977 Mirage awaiting restoration.  It?s a very early one in the original Green.  Although the paintwork is ok I plan to have it resprayed to ?freshen? it up during the restoration.

I sent a side panel to a local paint suppliers for analysis and they came back with a Green metallic from the 1975 BMW Motorcycle colour palette.  I don?t know the BMW code but from PPG it?s code is PPG0006.  They supplied a painted sample and it?s very nearly perfect - allowing for deterioration in the side panel over the last 30+ years and metallics reflecting different in changing light and angle.  My painter tells me metallics are notoriously difficult to replicate because of many factors such as gun pressure and settings, spray angle, paint build etc.

It?s a solvent based two-pack that you spray on the colour base coat first followed by a lacquer.  It?s quite expensive at ?35 +VAT per half litre.  My painter reckons you might get a tank, two side panels and a ducktail from just over half a litre ? but better get a litre just in case !

If anyone wants to PM or email me I?ll be pleased to get some more samples done for you and if we all agree we?ve cracked it.

The Yellow ?Mirage? lettering on the side panel is painted on with a stencil. I have seen some Green Mirages with raised metal ?Mirage? badges but I don?t know if they?re correct in period, or from a later model Mirage.  I?m sure someone out there knows the answer to that.  I don?t have a match for the Yellow yet but the paint suppliers advise it shouldn?t be a problem.  Making a stencil is quite easy if you have an example of the original lettering which we have.

Paul ? I have to finish my restoration of a 1977 Jarota before I get onto the Mirage.  It?s going to be a while before I get the Mirage restoration to a point where I?ll need the panels for painting so if you cover the costs and promise to return it in a few months time, I?ll be please to send you a side-panel for you to do your own investigation.  PM or email me.

Hope this helps.

Paul.

 
zeagle_123 said:
Hi All,

I?ve been following this Forum for a couple of years now but this is an early foray into contributing.  Please be gentle with me !!

I have a 1977 Mirage awaiting restoration.  It?s a very early one in the original Green.  Although the paintwork is ok I plan to have it resprayed to ?freshen? it up during the restoration.

I sent a side panel to a local paint suppliers for analysis and they came back with a Green metallic from the 1975 BMW Motorcycle colour palette.  I don?t know the BMW code but from PPG it?s code is PPG0006.  They supplied a painted sample and it?s very nearly perfect - allowing for deterioration in the side panel over the last 30+ years and metallics reflecting different in changing light and angle.  My painter tells me metallics are notoriously difficult to replicate because of many factors such as gun pressure and settings, spray angle, paint build etc.

It?s a solvent based two-pack that you spray on the colour base coat first followed by a lacquer.  It?s quite expensive at ?35 +VAT per half litre.  My painter reckons you might get a tank, two side panels and a ducktail from just over half a litre ? but better get a litre just in case !

If anyone wants to PM or email me I?ll be pleased to get some more samples done for you and if we all agree we?ve cracked it.

The Yellow ?Mirage? lettering on the side panel is painted on with a stencil. I have seen some Green Mirages with raised metal ?Mirage? badges but I don?t know if they?re correct in period, or from a later model Mirage.  I?m sure someone out there knows the answer to that.  I don?t have a match for the Yellow yet but the paint suppliers advise it shouldn?t be a problem.   Making a stencil is quite easy if you have an example of the original lettering which we have.

Paul ? I have to finish my restoration of a 1977 Jarota before I get onto the Mirage.  It?s going to be a while before I get the Mirage restoration to a point where I?ll need the panels for painting so if you cover the costs and promise to return it in a few months time, I?ll be please to send you a side-panel for you to do your own investigation.  PM or email me.

Hope this helps.

Paul.
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Hi Paul

very kind offer. Where are you in the world?

the BMW folk are even more anal than us laverda nuts, lots of specific BMW info on the web    http://www.bmbikes.co.uk/paintcodes/greens.htm

from around 1975 looks like there was a Nuerburg green for the 75/76 R60/6 and R90/6, BMW code 577, a metallic Nuerburg green BMW paint code 077, a BMW green metallic BMW paint code 074 used on the 73/74 R50/5 and R90/6, and then there also was a bright Minz green I don't have a BMW code for...

the first photo attached in teh BMW green metallic BMW paint code 074

the second photo attached is the BMW Nuerburg metallic green, BMW paint code 077

this is really tough to do over the internet, but best I have at the moment. Have a look and see what you think.

I am going to have to find a local paint shop with 1975 BMW motorcycle paint colour charts and have a look in the flesh,I couldn't find any PPG charts online to check PPG 0006 in 1975 BMW green......

Paul LeClair
 

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Hi Paul,

I'm in the UK.

I had seen the BMW site but realised it's nearly impossible to judge colours on a computer without the correct equipment. On the site there's a catalogue picture of 1975 fuel tanks showing the different colours available including the Metallic Green which looks right, but then so does the Nurburg Green which seems to have been photographed under a brighter light !

I couldn't find anything on the PPG site either.

If I send a side panel to you I'll also send an sample of the paint and you can judge for yourself. 

Paul.
 
bmw colors? argh

http://www.lambocars.com/archive/paint.htm

http://volvoc.com/elegant-lamborghini-gallardo-lp-540-green-goblin-by-amv-design-volvoc-com/

http://dealerrevs.com/car/15068487

period porsche (carrera GelbGrun), fiat (x 1/9), amc (big bad green amx), dodge (challenger and 'cuda)
late model dodge (challenger, charger), honda jazz

http://www.teamspeed.com/forums/porsches-past-general-porsche-news/1959-green-machine-all-shades-green-offered-porsche-9.html
 
Slater has the yellow Mirage logo available as a sticker. That is what I used after painting mine.
 

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The original Mirage I had many years ago had stickers on the side panels too Grant.
 
My guess is that the first batch of green Mirages had stencils but they were too much pallaver so they got stickers made up. Any stencilled Mirage sidepanels I have seen had the lettering smudged where it bled off under the stencil.

Not sure if/when the Mirage badges were used on original green Mirages, but there are a few now.
 
Hi Paul,
  Richard Slater I believe has an original side panel,and if my memory  correct Gavin Spencer borrowed it to help identify the colour.Also Richard uses (I believe) still Dream Machine to spray up tanks etc.I used dream Machine years ago and the colour was pretty much spot on.They might!!!!! tell you the make up of the green matellic considering your based in Canada.You will also need to know the base/undercoat colour.
Was the colour ever coded?
By the way stand several orange Jotas side by side and chances are there all appear to have been sprayed in a different shade of orange.

Andy
 
i think the cast badges for the mirage and jota were introduced at the same time ~1980
prior to that it would be a stencil or sticker

< several orange Jotas side by side and chances are there all appear to have been sprayed in a different shade of orange. >

all the factory finish '79 on 180 orange should be pretty much the same
but a refinished example may not be the same. differences come from the color of the base primer, which paint formula is used
(based on the suppliers formula)
everything from the freshness of the base and tints used to make the blend to variations in weighing the amounts in the formula
to human error mixing the paint
eg; one drop of black tint in a pint of orange will produce a markedly different shade from what the formula specifies
paints matched to a particular panel are subject to the age and color saturation of the panel used
for instance, vintage car guys like to use inside door hinges for color matching as it is more accurate than exterior panels
sorta like garbage in garbage out
i suspect some of the spectrographic analysis does not produce an exact formula from the sample but rather
produces the closest known formula from its database
finally, period paints were made with substances that are no longer allowed

it is difficult judging from colors on a monitor and small samples that may or may not be accurate
every paint has a formula and individual components can be altered to produce a desired result

eg; the formula for porsche's titan effect includes
jet black, medium coarse metallic, flop control agent, bright coarse aluminum, h/s fast blue, violet, b/c balancer and a binder
the formula gives specific weights for each element based on desired total qty
a change in qty of any one or more component tints makes a new color as the relationship of the tints change
so, get something close and alter until it is what you want

do you want something that is correct or something that feels right  8)
 
although I would really prefer to find a similar paint colour locally and paint it myself, it looks like the path of least resistance and best result may be to get it painted by a pro who has done it before.....

so, I have today e mailed Dream Machine in the U.K. asking for a quotation on having them do the job if I ship them a pair of brand new unpainted side panels, a brand new unpainted tail piece, and my chemically stripped bare metal 1200 tank. If it isn't HUGE money that may be the way to go, although I haven't totally abandoned the idea of sourcing a paint system locally and doing it myself.

we'll see, I'll wait on the quotation from Dream Machine before proceeding further.

Thanks, all.

Paul LeClair
 
Paul,

Oops ! Sorry, looks like the thread's closed.

For future reference here are some photos I took this afternoon of my side panel and the painted example of PPG 0006

Paul

 

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the second image looks like a very close match
the third appears to have had  a flash used for the photo

check the local suppliers like bowness auto parts or endura paint and see if they handle PPG

dupont's color net formula retriever isn't producing any results
i called dupont and they don't have a crossover
they did say i could send them a panel and they could scan it and put it in their database  :D
 
Hi Scott

Bowness AutoParts? One of my favourite old school parts places, little tiny hole in the wall place in a rough part of town, been there forever, cool place. How the heck did you ever hear of it?

Paul LeClair
 
the wonders of the internet, paul :-)
any local supplier of PPG should be able to make the 0006 formula
the longer they've been around the better the chances of them having an old formula

i am inclined to think the colors are indeed the same
it doesn't make sense for the factory to have had special paint mixed
beyond what was readily available at the time
 
Dream Machine in the UK has e mailed back and said heck yeah, they would just borrow an original Mirage green sidepanel from Richard Slater and match it up. I have asked a second time now for a ballpark quote, some rough idea of cost of having them paint it, and am awaiting a reply.

I'll follow up locally on 1975 BMW motorcyle metallic green PPG 0006 while I am waiting to hear back....

Paul LeClair
 
hi all of you out there. got the green paint in stock. and the mirage stickers,
thanks Gavin.  gavin.ruth@virgin.net
 
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