500 crankshaft threads

Wilson77

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Hello all,
I am just working on a acouple of Alpino 500 engines for a friend.  The crankshaft thread on the alternator side is left hand, M12 x 1.25 mm, genuine (picture one). This is intact in one of the two engines, which by the way has no balance shaft and I'm in the process of cleaning and dismantling for inspection.

In the other engine these threads have been stripped by some previous owner, then repaired by cutting and welding a length of  right hand, M12x1.75 studding (picture two). This engine has come already dismantled, has balance shaft and blasted cases, cylinders and head. Other than the repaired threaded tip and worn camshaft lobes it seems to be in pretty good nick, hence the owner has preference in putting this one back to life first. My concern comes from the crankshaf threads and this is where I seek for some advice from you.

First, is welding this kind of crankshaft an option at all? Or should I expect the welding to fail in service?

Second, provided that a fine weld is acceptable, should I expect the non standard right hand nut to work loose in service? The alternator rotor leaves very little room for using any kind of lock tab washer, so I?m thinking of cutting the threaded tip away and re-welding a left hand, fine thread piece resembling more like the original arrangement.

Other options might be drilling and left hand tapping  the hole to use a bolt rather than a nut for pressing the rotor in place, or replacing the relevant cranckshaft wheel/end, but I see them as anything but a very last resort. Any comments and suggestions will be much appreciated.
 

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the later triple engines with right hand alternator set up came with both left hand threaded or right hand threaded provision for a bolt
generally assemble both with Loctite and rarely have an issue, they use a shaped bolt head with no provision for a lock tab

do you have room for a serrated Schnoor lock washer ?
applied with Loctite doubt the right hand thread would cause too many issues

I have found on the 500 cranks that quite often you can find Big End pin damage with similar damage to the inside of the Conrod big end
is like fretting caused by the big end rollers
I see you have a 1/2 decent press, are you planning on removing the outer crank webs to check the Big Ends themselves and also the thrust faces on the Conrods and Crank webs ?

good luck

 
Thanks for your reply, Redax5. This far I'm on the process of gathering the tools and the knowledge to work on the crankshafts of my Yamaha singles (SRX, XT600). But I have not made any yet, let alone a twin! I hope to be ready for that in some while but I'm not yet, actually. I had not heard of schnoor washers before. The combination with loctite sounds promising and will possibly be the route to follow. At least we won't be any worse than a triple, will we?

Anyway, the castellated nut on this crankshaft side (which doubles as the oil seal run-on surface) would be a second point of concern. Are they obtainable?  I would't feel comfortable risking to damage one just to find that they are no longer supplied, which I'm affraid they are.

It's been a long time away from Laverdas and this is being quite exiciting. I used to ride and work on some mates' ones in the past though never owned one, actually. Amazing bikes, seldom seen these days here in Spain. Cheers.
 
there are a couple of sources of 500 parts in the world, I get majority of my parts from Wolfgang Haerter at Columbia Car & Cycle in Canada, contact him by email using laverda@lightspeed.ca
he has the castellated nuts in stock as I have purchased them from him in the past
you often find them mangled due to people using chisels and hammers on them to undo them instead of the special tool that is needed

one thing he does not have though is any spare 500 crank webs as I have bought his whole stock of them over the last few years  :(
 
Hi there, I update just in case someone pops in here and wants to know how the project went on...

Cheers,
Marcos
 
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