Advice about riding in Europe

The South of the South Island is bad in tourist season. A lot of bridges now have directional arrows on the left as it's too easy to come off a narrow bridge and revert to your accustomed side. Every year someone posts video of a camper van going too fast on a winding road or simply driving on the right.
 
try 50-over and get caught, you're up shit creek...

piet

Which can happen (and happened to us roughly 25 years ago, "only" 40 over...), when at the end of the houses everything looked like open road again, but the "end of town" sign came after 2 more curves... accelerated and got caught... They frightened us with taking our licenses, not allowing us to go further. At the end, they just wanted money (and were prepared to take ANY currency, as long as we pay them right there...). It was a large group of policeman, the laser-camera guy stood hidden behind a bill-board and the rest 2 curves further on behind a hotel on their parking lot. They pulled over bikers and cars almost every second minute. good income...

Ever since, I try to avoid Austria as much as I can. Roads are nice, people and food, too, but you either pay the maut or you pay the ticket - they robb you one or the other way...
 
Which can happen (and happened to us roughly 25 years ago, "only" 40 over...), when at the end of the houses everything looked like open road again, but the "end of town" sign came after 2 more curves... accelerated and got caught... They frightened us with taking our licenses, not allowing us to go further. At the end, they just wanted money (and were prepared to take ANY currency, as long as we pay them right there...). It was a large group of policeman, the laser-camera guy stood hidden behind a bill-board and the rest 2 curves further on behind a hotel on their parking lot. They pulled over bikers and cars almost every second minute. good income...

Ever since, I try to avoid Austria as much as I can. Roads are nice, people and food, too, but you either pay the maut or you pay the ticket - they robb you one or the other way...
To be fair Lothar, there are road signs all over the place, especially so in heavily-enforced Austria and Switzerland. Sure, if you're completely focused on hooning, all too easy to miss. But, what more can one say... own bloody fault, isn't it? Pretty sure you and your group weren't the only ones nicked that day. The cops have to listen to all manner of stupid excuses all day long, no wonder they get fed up and fall into scary tactics. I guess you learnt your lesson though. ;)

All too easy to go around moaning "fuckin' cops..." It's not all just about generating revenue, the law enforcement bodies know very well where to position themselves to make the most of their driving behaviour "lessons", be it for revenue generating or "education", the taxpayer is fronting up for them to do it in the first place. The police forces are usually commissioned by local governing bodies to enforce traffic laws at focal points, they rarely do it of own accord (at least in civilised, democratic states where the police is but an executing body, not the legislating). Might be a good idea to risk a peek into the regional newspapers, probably dozens of items to be found covering fatal or near-fatal accidents in the area. If you would be living there, you'd want the authorities to do something about it too.

Speed traps are simply a thing we'll have to put up with until each and every one of us complies with local road laws, if we like it or not. We cannot expect the authorities to protect us from larceny, homocide, terrorist attacks etc while we spread carnage over the public highways. Just because we get our kicks from hooning to our delight doesn't mean we're exempt from the laws that the majority of us has consented to. Not every speeder turns out a murderer, but is definitely a potential one. I'm no exception!

The situation in Austria is rather special. As I understand it, Austrians are fed up with their roads being mis-used as a transit race track by vacationers (especially bikers) on their way to Italy and back home. To avoid highway tolls, A- and B-roads are overloaded and often jammed during the tourist season, causing all sorts of chaos in tiny and already cramped villages. Not only is the onslaught of traffic a problem, the accompanying noise becomes more than a little annoying. Again, I'm no exception!

piets' 2 cents worth
 
Good point Piet! Let's be honest: We owe all the route closures and excessive regulations to those who don't know how to behave. This is the reason why I prefer “c” & “d” class roads and with this, I usually avoid being where the "streams of lemmings" are. Another positive effect is, that due to low frequency of travelers it's no business case for the authorities to set up traps there.

OK – won’t work always when doing a longer trip like the planned one to Breganze, but then I’ve to behave accordingly.
 
My scariest Euro-riding moment came in France. It was my fault, as I didn't understand 'priorité à droite' rule. Riding through a village, someone drove out from the righthand side road, right in front of me. Of course, they assumed I was giving way. No crash, but very very close. An unusual driving rule worth being aware of!
 
My scariest Euro-riding moment came in France. It was my fault, as I didn't understand 'priorité à droite' rule. Riding through a village, someone drove out from the righthand side road, right in front of me. Of course, they assumed I was giving way. No crash, but very very close. An unusual driving rule worth being aware of!
It's an unusual driving rule which prevails in a lot of ,Europe.
The status of the junction is usually signposted when priority on the right applies.
It used to apply on roundabouts. Imagine La Place de l’Étoile in Paris in the rush hour.
I personally don't like the priority rule. A lot of French going to the UK for the first time imagine that there's a priority on the left.
Paul
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Any 'we drive on the left' folk have the problem as me? I get onto the continent and everything is immediately fine, and driving on the right seems very natural and easy. But, when I get home, for about a week, I get it wrong several times and have to think about it.
 
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Any 'we drive on the left' folk have the problem as me? I get onto the continent and everything is immediately fine, and driving on the right seems very natural and easy. But, when I get home, for about a week, I get it wrong several times and have to think about it.
That is odd, since the human brain is more comfortable and feels more natural with driving (and walking) on the left
 
Any 'we drive on the left' folk have the problem as me? I get onto the continent and everything is immediately fine, and driving on the right seems very natural and easy. But, when I get home, for about a week, I get it wrong several times and have to think about it.
I actually prefer anti-clockwise wise roundabouts - I’ve got home from France and then I’m driving thinking “ this feels wrong”
I found Italy very difficult because they too are unsure of which side to drive/ what traffic lights are for etc and I’ve been to Turkey a lot but wouldn’t fancy riding a motorcycle there- it’s a bit random with regards to rights of way and almost no road markings..always seems to be a lot of buses coming straight at you. Last visit to France we saw a non running Peugeot being pushed by a van..seemed to work.
 
It's the pedestrian crossings over there that get me. They look like the ones in the UK but either drivers take no notice of them or the pedestrians have no priority. In which case their only use is as an indication of where to collect the casualty.
 
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My scariest Euro-riding moment came in France. It was my fault, as I didn't understand 'priorité à droite' rule. Riding through a village, someone drove out from the righthand side road, right in front of me. Of course, they assumed I was giving way. No crash, but very very close. An unusual driving rule worth being aware of!
Pretty simple actually. No signs, RH traffic has right of way. If in doubt, lift the throttle and reach for the brake, better than taking a dive over the bonnet of a 2CV.

Traffic from the right always has right of way, unless you are on a priority road, which of course will be sign posted every few 100 metres or at every intersection, depending on status. Those entering a priority road will be shown "give way" or "stop" signs. Almost universal across mainland Europe.

It's the pedestrian crossings over there that get me. They look like the ones in the UK but either drivers take no notice of them or the pedestrians have no priority. In which case their only use is as an indication of where to collect the casualty.
At least in Germany, pedestrians ALWAYS have priority at designated crossings. You see somebody about to cross, you stop...

Pretty sure this also applies to much of the continent. The further south you travel, the less regard for traffic rules is displayed.

piet
 
At least in Germany, pedestrians ALWAYS have priority at designated crossings. You see somebody about to cross, you stop...

Pretty sure this also applies to much of the continent. The further south you travel, the less regard for traffic rules is displayed.

piet
It certainly wasn't the case in Sweden, when I spent time there. They have the black and white bars across the road, like British 'zebra crossings' but without the 'give way' lines. Traffic didn't even slow down when you stepped on one!
 
Pretty simple actually. No signs, RH traffic has right of way. If in doubt, lift the throttle and reach for the brake, better than taking a dive over the bonnet of a 2CV.

Traffic from the right always has right of way, unless you are on a priority road, which of course will be sign posted every few 100 metres or at every intersection, depending on status. Those entering a priority road will be shown "give way" or "stop" signs. Almost universal across mainland Europe.


At least in Germany, pedestrians ALWAYS have priority at designated crossings. You see somebody about to cross, you stop...

Pretty sure this also applies to much of the continent. The further south you travel, the less regard for traffic rules is displayed.

piet
Quite the contrary Piet, as in Norman's video. It's the priority crossings that are signposted.
As for respect of rules in the South, it's very variable. I find Spaniards and Northern Italians respectful of the highway code. Southern Italians a lot less but generally respectful of others. Motorists stop for pedestrians a lot more in Naples than they do around my place.

Whatever the country, urban areas are a jungle.

Paul
 
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