Andy Wagner is looking for a succession plan

Interesting debate. Perhaps the way forward is European Classic mechanics, rather than specialising on just the Laverdas. Not ideal but covering all the old Italian marques might be enough to make a viable business.

Regarding young folks coming in to the sport, I think we old timers have to be careful. I see a lot of gate-keeping and knocking the choices of younger riders. If they want to make bobbers with brown seats out of 1980s Hondas, good luck to them. They are appreciating the older bikes and a percentage will get drawn in to 'proper' classic bikes over time. Our pastime needs the new blood.
 
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Yes, interesting debate.

I feel most of the Bobber folk are not so much into riding, but being 'seen' to be a rider (and somewhat a 'bad-ass', with all the on-trend clothing, beards, tattoos, etc).

I don't think many of them will pop out of the other end of this fashion scene as motorcyclists. Hell, they are more likely to die than progress. I've ridden a few BMW Bobbers and they are awful, true death traps, if riden in anyway seriously 😞

I find the often used statement 'our pastime needs new blood' interesting. Personally, I can't work out why. I feel somewhat sorry for the younsters that will not experience the thrill of motorcycling, but know they will be getting their thrills somewhere else in the futre. Just as we did not get the thrills of riding horse bareback across open country as our ancestors will have done.
 
Interesting debate. Perhaps the way forward is European Classic mechanics, rather than specialising on just the Laverdas. Not ideal but covering all the old Italian marques might be enough to make a viable business.

Regarding young folks coming in to the sport, I think we old timers have to be careful. I see a lot of gate-keeping and knocking the choices of younger riders. If they want to make bobbers with brown seats out of 1980s Hondas, good luck to them. They are appreciating the older bikes and a percentage will get drawn in to 'proper' classic bikes over time. Our pastime needs the new blood.
Difficult enough to cater for just one marque, holding mostly dead stock for a half dozen defunct marques is financial suicide. There's lots of stuff that fits all sorts of bikes still available and being offered by quite a few and will probably remain so for some time to come, at least as long as the clonkers remain on the road and are worn out. Sure, there's money in re-manufacturing, but the costs are rising daily... at some point even repro parts will be simply too expensive to flog on. It's the special bits that are the problem, stuff that sells an item per year, but only makes sense if you make 100.

Accumulating expertise to offer proper advice for one marque takes decades, don't think there are a dozen people on the planet that could offer in-depth advice equally on Moto Guzzi, Ducati, Laverda, Bianchi, Moto Morini, MV Agusta, Gilera, Mondial, Parilla, etc, etc. One would need to amass an incredible wealth of information, or find people with that knowledge, but, where are they? Old, retired, dead...

A good example of this is the UK company Feked. They cater for many british marques, mainly those that shared proprietry parts across their ranges. They offer mostly consumables, their repros come mainly from Taiwan and India, with obviously a few from the UK cottage industry. Even a few OEM bits such as Doherty levers and twistgrips, which is truely amazing. But don't ask for advice such as "will this X fit my YZ?" That's where one-marque clubs chime in.

"Classic" biking as we know it will die a sad, slow death, which, imho cannnot be stopped. Our bikes will eventually land in a museum or a crusher, with maybe a few surviving as living room show pieces, not turning a wheel, ever again (see Ferarri GTO, Lambo Miura, etc for fear of breaking something irreplaceable). The current fad of wrapping rusty exhaust pipes of derelict Honda CB350s will fade as soon as the hipsters find something new they can "re-invent". The entire hipster movement will eventually fade, the next might start re-juvenating old Nokias and proclaiming them the hottest shit around. Oh, they're already doing that... ? History repeats itself, rockers, mods, hippies, all going the way of the Dodo, except for a few dozen die-hards holding on to the last, thin straw.

Motorcycles have evolved from (necessary) personal transport to (optional) recreational toy. When interest wanes, they will disappear, simply no longer needed. Although bikes may be a solution to crowded city traffic, the necessary long-term push towards public transport will eventually push them out of the picture as well. Will probably take another 50-odd years or so, so it shouldn't be worrying too many here.;)

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There are plenty of younger kids here in Norway who get into bikes, often the sportier 125s from KTM or the Japanese, and they roar around the side streets with their Akra slip-ons annoying the sedate older residents, but they are right into it and there will be a precent who will get the bug. It is very unlikely that they will be tempted into something like a Laverda unless there is a family history with support network.
 
I don't think we should worry too much about a 'new generation' of Laverda enthusiasts. Largely because it's outside of our control. People will like and want what they choose to. What if we're the last wave of Laverda lovers? Then we can enjoy it, relishing the fact that we're onto a good thing. Those in the know of a well kept secret.

As for new people to step up and carry on where the likes of Andy and Wolfgang have been doing such great work to keep us rolling. Well, I guess time will tell. If I had a large premises, and a spare 100,000k plus floating around I'd be up for it as a sideline. Probably about another 15 years before I retire, so enough time to see it through for many of the Laverda crowd.

Perhaps it's something that someone like Werner might want to branch out into. I can see how a museum and spares base in Breganze could work.
 
I feel for the likes of Andy and Wolfgang, the idea of retirement screws with my head, and I'm just an average Joe.

Chances are, their retirement plans are partially based on the sales of their long term businesses.

While retirement is inevitable, I'm glad I'm not trying sell a business that relies on old farts, like most of us, whose expendable income, in the main, for motorbike parts is reducing as we all retire from the workforce. Rocking recliners and slippers are more of a priory atm :LOL:
 
There are plenty of younger kids here in Norway who get into bikes, often the sportier 125s from KTM or the Japanese, and they roar around the side streets with their Akra slip-ons annoying the sedate older residents, but they are right into it and there will be a precent who will get the bug. It is very unlikely that they will be tempted into something like a Laverda unless there is a family history with support network.
I see this in lots of places too. I’ve noticed that some sub-set of them aspire to parallel twins like the Royal Enfield and Triumph, Ducati is also an item of worship like Ferrari and Lamborghini. So I think there is some reason to have hope for the future: once you fall for the charms of retro bikes it’s not that big a step to the real thing.
 
I don't think we should worry too much about a 'new generation' of Laverda enthusiasts. Largely because it's outside of our control. People will like and want what they choose to. What if we're the last wave of Laverda lovers? Then we can enjoy it, relishing the fact that we're onto a good thing. Those in the know of a well kept secret.

As for new people to step up and carry on where the likes of Andy and Wolfgang have been doing such great work to keep us rolling. Well, I guess time will tell. If I had a large premises, and a spare 100,000k plus floating around I'd be up for it as a sideline. Probably about another 15 years before I retire, so enough time to see it through for many of the Laverda crowd.

Perhaps it's something that someone like Werner might want to branch out into. I can see how a museum and spares base in Breganze could work.

Hello. Regarding: new generation of new Laverda riders, yes, I think that time is over, I am 63 years old myself, and I am about to sell off my collection, if I want to say it is now and not in 10-15 years, then a Laverda motorcycle is 45-60 years old, there are not any younger men in Denmark who want to buy such a model, here in Denmark the prices are dropping on all vintage motor vehicles
 
I parked my bike up outside a local tool supplies shop and as I’m waiting to talk to the owner a VERY attractive young girl (18 - 22?) came in and asked who owns the Laverda. I was quite taken aback as she was so pretty and I was wishing I was 30 or more years younger and gushed quite a bit about the bike. Her dad had one and she had been to rally’s with him.
She had to slowly back up out the door and say she had been away from work long enough at a local bike shop.

They are out there!
 
There are plenty of younger kids here in Norway who get into bikes, often the sportier 125s from KTM or the Japanese, and they roar around the side streets with their Akra slip-ons annoying the sedate older residents, but they are right into it and there will be a precent who will get the bug. It is very unlikely that they will be tempted into something like a Laverda unless there is a family history with support network.
I see this in lots of places too. I’ve noticed that some sub-set of them aspire to parallel twins like the Royal Enfield and Triumph, Ducati is also an item of worship like Ferrari and Lamborghini. So I think there is some reason to have hope for the future: once you fall for the charms of retro bikes it’s not that big a step to the real thing.
 
I will sell most of my bikes this year (hopefully), too. So - who ever is interested in a 1000 SFC, a 750 S Formula or a Motoplast Project (or even a Vespa PX80E from 1984, first hand...), let me know via PM. At the right price, even the Jota might go, but that'll be my last one to sell (as it's the first one I owned...). All bikes are in good condition, ready to ride (except the Motoplast).
 
Cheer up boys, I’m 63 and having the best time on bikes since my teens/early 20s. So prices are dropping…… GREAT news. Some of you are talking yourselves into the armchair and slippers before your time. If you can’t handle the big bikes go out and get a Moto Morini 350/500. They are an absolute joy to ride, light and manoeuvrable, handle like a dream, brake well and are plenty quick enough. Always been a cheaper alternative anyhow. My mate Aubrey is 82 and still out thrashing most days with the rest of us. The best time is now. Keep on Rockin.
Steve.
 
Cheer up boys, I’m 63 and having the best time on bikes since my teens/early 20s. So prices are dropping…… GREAT news. Some of you are talking yourselves into the armchair and slippers before your time. If you can’t handle the big bikes go out and get a Moto Morini 350/500. They are an absolute joy to ride, light and manoeuvrable, handle like a dream, brake well and are plenty quick enough. Always been a cheaper alternative anyhow. My mate Aubrey is 82 and still out thrashing most days with the rest of us. The best time is now. Keep on Rockin.
Steve.
Couldn't agree more, Steve!
In the absence of physical infirmity, it's the mental attitude which determines what you can do, despite the years.
When I was twenty-one with a new Triple, my doctor told me I should give up riding motorcycles as they would make me old before my time.
He's been dead more than twenty years. I'm seventy, now, and enjoying riding my Laverda enormously.
Sure, I'm not as limber as I once was and the roads are littered with potholes, over low speed limits, cameras and incompetent drivers three point turning just past the apices of bends, but I'm nowhere near ready for a Zimmer frame and a powered reclining/lifting chair.
Hopefully, there'll be many more years before the white-flannel-trousered shore walks feature.
 
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Couldn't agree more, Steve!
In the absence of physical infirmity, it's the mental attitude which determines what you can do, despite the years.
When I was twenty-one, my doctor told me I should give up riding motorcycles as they would make me old before my time.
He's been dead more than twenty years. I'm seventy, now, and enjoying riding my Laverda enormously.
Sure, I'm not as limber as I once was and the roads are littered with potholes, over low speed limits, cameras and incompetent drivers three point turning just past the apices of bends, but I'm nowhere near ready for a Zimmer frame and a powered reclining/lifting chair.
Hopefully, there'll be many more years before the white-flannel-trousered
 
I also agree on your post Steve. I`m 65 years old and bought my first Laverda in 1984. I have so far no plans to stop riding or selling any of my 3 remaining Laverda (RGS, SFC 1000 and 500 Formula) My Vife has a 500 Sport that might come up for sale, as she don`t ride motorbikes anymore and haven`t done for years. Fortunately I never bought any of my Laverda`s as an investment, but of course I hope they have some value left one day I might be forced or decide to sell them. I admit physical things or lack of interest can force people to sell their bikes. I also admit the big Laverda`s are heavy and absolute not as comfortable as new bikes, but so far I don`t care, as I´m still able to handle the bikes and I just like riding these old beasts and really enjoy the social life and good friendships that follow with Laverda ownership.

Last year I changed the original handlebars on my RGS with the higher executive handlebars, that worked a wonder for me, and I just finished fitting heated twist grips on the RGS. Both things – very good modifications for “older men”.:cool:

If the big Laverda`s is to heavy, I recommend the Laverda 500. A very light and nimble bike. Also much underrated compared to the big models and therefore very very cheap to buy and only a small investment.;)

Best regards

Preben
 
I also agree on your post Steve. I`m 65 years old and bought my first Laverda in 1984. I have so far no plans to stop riding or selling any of my 3 remaining Laverda (RGS, SFC 1000 and 500 Formula) My Vife has a 500 Sport that might come up for sale, as she don`t ride motorbikes anymore and haven`t done for years. Fortunately I never bought any of my Laverda`s as an investment, but of course I hope they have some value left one day I might be forced or decide to sell them. I admit physical things or lack of interest can force people to sell their bikes. I also admit the big Laverda`s are heavy and absolute not as comfortable as new bikes, but so far I don`t care, as I´m still able to handle the bikes and I just like riding these old beasts and really enjoy the social life and good friendships that follow with Laverda ownership.

Last year I changed the original handlebars on my RGS with the higher executive handlebars, that worked a wonder for me, and I just finished fitting heated twist grips on the RGS. Both things – very good modifications for “older men”.:cool:

If the big Laverda`s is to heavy, I recommend the Laverda 500. A very light and nimble bike. Also much underrated compared to the big models and therefore very very cheap to buy and only a small investment.;)

Best regards

Preben
I followed my mate on his 500 Monty back from the big meet at Willersey last summer. About 65 miles right up his tail piece on an enthusiastic ride. Took my helmet off at home and couldn’t hear a thing !😁
 
James (longshanks) your 500% Slater mark up needs some more info, yes it was there but it was only on tiny priced items like washers or nyloc nuts, not blanket accross all parts, that is normal in any industrial sale situation and

.........Rocket onrail, I could drive a bus through your text on Slaters history/name changes/reformation etc, but I won't, some,
of it is acurate, some of it confused, chronolically inacurate, and some of it totally wrong/invented bu god knows who, not everything was exactly "ethical" but it never is in any industry, the bigger they are the more it happens, (I once successfully sued Joe Lucas and co who had lied and scammed me) I know because dicky four eyes the short arsed brummie has always been a very good friend and has confided in me lots of times, not everything mind you, but plenty, we go back 52 years (to start) as he supplier, and me customer, the friendship is ongoing.
CLEM
 
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Well the one thing that retirement has bought me is a weight gain but also more shedding time to play on my projects and to fettle the Jota for its next outing. I retired from the construction industry at 73 and plan on riding my Laverda’s till the end. Stop making excuses and get fitter and ride and enjoy. My bikes are of no value as I’m not interested in selling them. What happens when I die no matter what I write in my will I will have no control over as I’ll be dead , therefore unable to to do anything about it😊👍
Tom
 
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