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neandethal

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Hi, this looks suspiciously cheap (1979 Jota) but on a number of forums and sellers FB page looks genuine.
If anyone has knowledge would they mind sharing by DM please, best not done in public. Would look nice alongside my Monty!
Cheers Ian

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Have had a good chat with seller.
Its an Italian import from 1993, he has owned since, does this effect values?
Laverda Scotia has done lots of work on it historically, including crank rebuild, chains and guides etc.
Has 4c cams and high comp pistons confirmed following strip down to get crank sorted. It also has a hydraulic clutch conversion, I assume this devalues for purists but makes it more rideable?
Any reason not to progress?
 
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It's a Jota in orange paint. Who doesn't want one of those? I'm in the minority that they look better in any other hue. Exception for the SFC. Seriously though, I would be verifying the frame at headstock isn't cracked / bodgy repair there. That would be after a thorough general inspection. Since I don't do any other social media, don't know if the ignition is upgraded. Or actual mileage. Finally I would want a test ride to see if the engine is not too rough. My new '78-79 Jota was was nowhere as smooth as ones I have ridden since. Both of those had cranks done by Red.
 
Its 9 hours 1 way away, so I need to be very convinced before I spend with days and £250 to inspect.
Its the import bit i wonder about. Spec seems bang on.
 
I must be getting old but several suggested I offer nearly 25% below advertised price. I know market is depressed but if someone offered me 25% below advertised price id tell them where to go and not engage again.
10-15% maybe.
Anyway, its worth what someone is prepared to pay. Lots for sale for a long while at £11-13k!
 
If Laverda Scozia did all that work you could get the owner to photograph the paperwork and send it to prove it and to see what Keith did, he may have upgraded the ignition? There are details that show the bike may not be totally standard. I don’t do Facebook either so haven’t looked in detail.
 
Its not standard, has hydraulic clutch, sasche ignition, keihin exhausts, but being practical its 46 years old, nit being sold as standard and is very much at the cheap end of the spectrum
 
Lots of triples were imported to the UK over the past 30 years and lots of 3CL's were upgraded to Jota spec over time too. The original spec would depend on where it came from.
 
The Jota nomenclature is much hyped and virtually meaningless.
Slater Bros. converted 3c Triples to 3cE by changing cams, pistons and exhausts, occasionally SFC fork yokes. They then arranged with the Factory the supply of cast wheeled bikes already fitted with the cams and pistons but sans exhaust, from the downpipes back. The Slater collector and resonators were fitted in Bromyard and the result was christened 'Jota'.
Upon the success of the Jota, in competition, and the 140mph road test the name was used on many Laverdas which did not have the "enhancements".
Perhaps the most stark example was the "Jota America", a bog stock 1200, not even a 'Mirage' (a Jotarised 1200).
A Slater letter, for those unfamiliar with Photoshop, is the only "guarantee of authenticity".
Maybe, one day in the future, there be a Catalogue raisonné which will remove all doubt, probably.

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The Jota nomenclature is much hyped and virtually meaningless.
Slater Bros. converted 3c Triples to 3cE by changing cams, pistons and exhausts, occasionally SFC fork yokes. They then arranged with the Factory the supply of cast wheeled bikes already fitted with the cams and pistons but sans exhaust, from the downpipes back. The Slater collector and resonators were fitted in Bromyard and the result was christened 'Jota'.
Upon the success of the Jota, in competition, and the 140mph road test the name was used on many Laverdas which did not have the "enhancements".
Perhaps the most stark example was the "Jota America", a bog stock 1200, not even a 'Mirage' (a Jotarised 1200).
A Slater letter, for those unfamiliar with Photoshop, is the only "guarantee of authenticity". Maybe, one day in the future, there be a Catalogue raisonné which will remove all doubt, probably.
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Have been reading all the threads about "genuine". By your definition the Inverness bike isn't genuine as didn't come via Slaters. Is a Jota spec bike, looks like a Jota and probably performs as such.
So my decision is more, is it worth the asking price.
Its not an investment buy, been there done those, its a user, sunny day poser and something ive wanted since I was 17. Will a uk slater bike at £3k more make me feel any less special!!
 
As been said many times before, Slaters developed the ‘Jota’ and sold the idea to the bosses at Breganze that they produce a ‘factory’ version for sale. The factory bikes were sold into various markets around the world, but sometimes with a different spec to the ‘Slater Jota’, but they are still a genuine factory produced Jota. A full fat Jota first sold outside the UK isn't in my view worth any more or less than one sold new in the UK. The only difference is you can obtain a letter from Richard that confirms it is a ‘genuine’ factory Jota and not a 3CL/Jarama etc converted to Jota spec.
It’s easy enough to build a bike to ‘Jota’ spec, the same way it is easy enough to convert a 350/500 Alpino into a Monty/F500.
The end product is equally as good (or perhaps even better) as the factory built product. Given that, most people, if they are buying a Jota/Monty/F500, want the ‘genuine’ article and will generally expect to pay a bit more for it even though the underlying value is probably the same.
As with everything you buy, you pay your money you take your choice - and hopefully you get what you paid for.
 
Nicely put, my 3c has had the kitchen sink thrown at it to produce its full potential and to make it fit my exact specs. That's what I wanted. Others want a tidy, softer original bike and good on them. It's always a gamble buying an old bike. The only premium I would pay for is receipts for engine work done by Piet, sadly Keith or Red.
 
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