Any news on the four valve triple heads? Has anyone bought one yet?

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I have not seen any news as of late about the four valve triple head. Has any one actually bought one and has a bike running with it? If so what kind of power does it make?
 
Question.
Has anyone seen any flow numbers, is there any port size, valve size data?
Would Red's racing class allow the 4 valve head?
It looks a nice bit of work and would be fun to use in a class where it's allowed.

Regards,
J
 
julian said:
Question.
Has anyone seen any flow numbers, is there any port size, valve size data?
Would Red's racing class allow the 4 valve head?
It looks a nice bit of work and would be fun to use in a class where it's allowed.

Regards,
J
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running in BEARs we can do anything we like to the engine, frame, wheels, brakes, suspension, etc
only restriction we have is how much money do I want to throw at my race bikes, they have already cost me way above $100,000 AUD for the pair
not cheap chasing high horsepower as you already know Julian
 
I guess logic and passion might have been mutually exclusive here. Upgrading existing designs have worked for many (BMW, Ducati etc) to retain brand loyalty. All ifs, buts and maybes now and too much money spent chasing lucrative government contracts and unproven designs.
 
CapnM said:
Always wondered why Laverda didn't breath more life into the triple with 3 or 4 valve heads🤔
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Because increasingly stringent emmissions regulations world-wide caught up with them. The Mk II triple in 120° guise was truely the end of the road, only a very major re-design could have kept it going. The air-cooled concept doesn't lend itself to much more RELIABLE power for general bike-buying numpties (most of whom weren't able or willing to adhere to oil change or service intervals), major manufacturers failed with air-cooled 4-valvers or quickly switched to liquid-cooling to extract more power to satisfy the ever hungry public.

Laverda had both triple and 4-cylinder liquid-cooled concepts on the drawing board, right up to mock-up and prototype form, but their dire financial situation didn't allow them to continue. It wasn't for lack of ideas, just funds...

piet
 
CapnM said:
I guess logic and passion might have been mutually exclusive here. Upgrading existing designs have worked for many (BMW, Ducati etc) to retain brand loyalty. All ifs, buts and maybes now and too much money spent chasing lucrative government contracts and unproven designs.
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Family problems.

Paul
 
Not forgetting of course the 4 valve, water cooled engine in the Benelli was destined to be the new Laverda triple engine, but lack of money again etc……
 
I have seen the original water cooled four valve triple engine and it was not the same (looking) as the Benelli, There was a story circulating a while ago wich (on one side) may have come from Piero, that the designers of the w/c triple stole it from Moto Laverda, then another (from the other side) that those designers were not paid by Moto Laverda, so took it away with them in lieu of money, and as Paul said M amd P's sisters wanted their money out of the company, with P & M not exactly close brothers as well.

I asked the whats happening now questions on the original post as well, should have scrolled down a bit further before posting, but the question remains, whats happening now?
CLEM
 
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Can well understand why the factory stooped both the development and all together. This much fun is rarely going to be a good investment until you get to sell massive numbers of bikes on the back of a win.

Red, I am absolutely not surprised at all, with the work you have done and development I would advise never to add it up, but you already know that 😁😁

It is nice though if we can keep our bikes at least resembling the bike or engine we started with, just to piss off the moderns if nothing else.

J
 
CLEMTOG said:
I have seen the original water cooled four valve trile engine and it was not the same (looking) as the benelli, There was a story circulating a while ago wich (on one side0 may have come from Piero, that the designers of the w/c triple stole it from Moto Laverda, then another (from the other side) that those designers were not paid by Moto laverda, so took it away with them in lieu of money, and as Paul said M amd P's sisters wanted their money out of the company.
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financed by an industrial from Asiago and developed by an engineering firm who designed the AR F1 engines. In Pesaro someone proposed to buy the design to restart building motorcycles again to be designed at I.DE.A
 
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