Bakelite Brembo pistons

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Rob, surely you're not suggesting I had wrongly assumed it was an alloy piston and then used a set of mole grips and and a tyre lever to somehow twist the piston free from its housing only to discover that the piston breaks really, really easily ? Only a complete dunderhead would do that...

No, I broke away the brittle rim of the piston purely in the interests of scientific research and to convince the know-all nay-sayers on this thread that I do in fact know the difference between shit and Shinola. :D :D :D
 
How much you want for those Bob? They seem more suitable for a drum brake application.
I've been thinking of pulling the screens out of my Grimeca 4LS and those look to be be just the right size to drive em out...
Cheers,
Don
 
Well bugger me sideways, they are indeed Bakealite pistons!

Lothar - i think you are right on the head built-up angle, hence why they were no use for car use.

This was told to me by a senior development engineer at Girlings in South Wales, Neil Williams, long time Lav owner & organiser of the 1st Baskerville Hall Rally in 92'.
British Leyland tried them in an Austin Princess in London but the fluid would boil by midday.....
 
I had a bakelite wireless when I was a kid. Didn't seem to overheat much but you couldn't get radio Luxembourg very clearly. When i dropped it it broke just like Bobs caliper piston.
 
phil37 said:
Bob - I bet your other caliper has metal pistons :D :D - Regards - Phil

Indeed it did Phil, nice shiny new unused ones. It's now got duller, lighter, alloy ones with no mole grip marks or bites taken out of them.
 
Many apologies Bob but it has glass fibre reinforcement!So not wireless bakelite completley :D
 
Bob,

Please accept my humblest apologies. :-X

This is certainly new for me, I generally associate Bakelite with knobs and handles for old radios, pots and pans or house hold appliances.  Really thought it had been phased out with the incept of PVC and other such polymers.  Shows technical progress hasn't halted at even the most obscure of materials.

Still buddies ?  :-*  :D

piet
 
andychain said:
In chain terms stainless steel chains always soft, I understood the hardening process took away the
stainless properties. It is also non magnetic so is also used on food lines where magnetic picks are used.

I have a stainless chain in the steering pedestal on my boat. Has to be non-magnetic so it won't upset the compass which sits on top of the pedestal.
 
Well, there's Bakelite and there's Bakelite.  That Phenol bears about as much resemblance to the stuff used in my old radio as does a  Harley to a Fireblade.  Quite surprise they used it though, it's the same sort of material they used for the bearings on the variable stators on gas turbine compressors - fine when it's in and running, but touch it with any sort of tool and it falls apart.

And on a pedantic note.  Stainless steel is magnetic, just not as magnetic as carbon steel.  Ask any satellite designer...
 
My Dad was a senior metalurgest with the United kingdom Atomic Energy Authority for over 30 years, working on fuel enrichment for atomic bombs at Capenhurst in the 50's to energy production at Dounreay until the late 80's,
We often talked about stainless steel & it various properties, its a most fascinating material, as you probably know, nuclear reactors & all there associated pipework etc are totally made of the stuff & the UKAEA actually came up with & patented many special grades for there specific purposes. many are still covered under The Official Secrets Act.

To explode a few myths:
Certain grades are magnetic, others not.
Certain grades oxidise, other do not.
Certain grades are nigh-on unmachineable even with carbide tipped tools, others turn, drill, tap & mill like MS.
certain grades are unweldable, usually the HT grades, other weld beautifully.

A2 is medium tensile & used for fastners on non-load bearing applications.
A4 is equivalent to HT in MS.
303 machines well but does not weld.
21-4-N is used for engine valves, commonly referred to as Nimonic Steel.

What makes SS SS & not MS is simply a few % more of Chromium & Nickel in the alloy, the amounts are very subtile, it was discovered by accident by a Sheffield cutlery maker in about 1900, looking for a metal for knives & forks that would not rust, the rest as they say is history!

There are as many grades of SS as there are days in a year.

Im a big fan of SS on motorcycle applications as I live only a few yards from The Pentland Firth but it must be used correctly for safety reasons.
Early SS car exausts cracked when the cooled down as it was not the correct grade used for the pipework, I have SS systems on my Alfa & Jag & SS silencers on the Alpino, they give no trouble whatsoever & weigh about 50% of the equivalent MS items. All the fastners & many of the brackets on both the 500's & the 7R are SS.

I hope this clears up a few myths.

Ross.
 
All Stainless Steels are magnetic because they contain Fe.  The Martensitic grades are magnetic almost to the same extent as other carbon steels, the rest are very, very low but have significant magnetic properties in a weightless environment for it to be a real problem.

Nimonic is not, strictly a steel, stainless or otherwise.  It's a Nickel, Chrome and Cobalt alloy
 
Paul: yes A4 is the High Tensile grade, almost the same shear strength as HT MS.

Veravista: Yes, all grades of SS have a degree of magnetism but its often so low as to be difficult for the layman to detect......

John B: not nesscarily....

Note: I don't pretend to be an expert on SS, I am but a humble Gunmaker who works with it every day in my workshop, but my Dad is.....

Ross.
 
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