Chinese Gold Wing copy with 8 cylinders:

If I got my hands on one I'd be tempted to make a bare bones cafe racer out of it. You could probably strip 200kg of junk off it and still have plenty of bike left. It would have to sound good with a free flowing exhaust and open can.
I happened to see a stripped Goldwing a few months ago. The bones are very much those of an enormous sportsbike. Alloy deltabox style chassis - with a single sided swingarm. Crying out for the superbike styling treatment.
 
IMO,,,,made in China = Hard No! Why? Because unlike the Japanese products , motorbikes, of the 1960’s to date, Chinese stuff do not have a goal of building the best, they just want to build down to a price to take over a business segment. I work with and install Chinese products, and say to you all it is utter garbage. A Chinese made motorcycle shall never find itself in my garage.
Honda, Yamaha , Suzuki & Kawasaki all have factories in China and don’t mention Norton! .. Harley’s made in India, Triumph in Indonesia, BSA, Royal Enfield & Lambretta ( were) made in India, Vespas in Bristol, Heinkels in Ireland, Ducati in Spain….never say never…
 
Companies using Chinese manufacturers to produce high quality goods at cheaper labour rates than would be the case in their home country is VERY different from Chinese companies hypothetically making high quality products in an attempt to gain a foothold into a foreigin market.

I owned the top-shelf Yamaha drum kit which went on to become the most respected studio kit worldwide (and still is) ... it was 'Made in Taiwan People's Republic of China' (that was on the badge ... the cheaper lower-end models were made in Japan. Once they had the reputation, they moved manufacturing back to Japan, probably as a reaction to negative stereotypes of 'Chinese' badging.
 
The Chinese are following a well trodden path first taken by the Japanese, then the Koreans and now them. They start out making shoddy junk at a cheap price, but they don’t stay that way for long.

As a boy I remember hearing a television comic joking about waking up and shaving with a Japanese metal toy. I know I gave blood playing with mine once or twice! Soon though we all wanted Japanese cameras, stereo equipment and TVs.
 
And don't get put off by all this negative stuff you read about China, minorities in forced labour factories (sorry, schools), and ultra controlled society (free to be exactly as the currently "elected" chairman dictates). Support who you want as long as you can buy stuff cheaper. A bit different to Japan and the S Korea. There are other countries I will never knowingly buy anything from.
 
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my son is regularly getting stuff mass produced in China for the UK MOD. Everything has to be checked and double checked, any defects and the whole batch goes back at their cost, this happens all the time, the standards are kept up, for a bit and then when they think no one will notice, it drops, and yes they then go back at their cost and never paid for up front. So much time is spent checking and destruction testing that it might not even be worth it, have stuff made in Europe and get consistent quality, no matter where the stuff is made it will always be very carefully checked, its our squaddies lives at stake if failure occurs. This comes from the great nephew of a WW1 sargent killed because the heavy artillery he was operating was worn beyond serice limits and suffered breach explosion, taking out three of the six crewing with it, I suppose if you have a knackered gun and you are under fire, you would keep pounding away? wouldnt you, cant just stop and say "Oh its knackered we had better stop"
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And don't get put off by all this negative stuff you read about China, minorities in forced labour factories (sorry, schools), and ultra controlled society (free to be exactly as the currently "elected" chairman dictates). Support who you want as long as you can buy stuff cheaper. A bit different to Japan and the S Korea. There are other countries I will never knowingly buy anything from.
I had to put the whole Mussolini thing to bed before I started buying Italian bikes & I won’t buy anything Scottish…except Tunnocks..
 
“My Father was really upset when I brought a German car.

Apparently, when he was younger, he had continued problems with a series of unreliable German cars.”
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Joking apart, the lack of acceptance of Japanese motorcycles was largely because of the war. The boss of the bike shop I started with took a lot of flack for taking on Hondas , in fact his partner refused to have Japanese anything on the premises. A compromise was struck-Ernie was to run a sister shop that became our Royal Enfield branch and had nothing to do with Honda. Honda shop is still going, still selling Honda.
A Jewish mate of mines parents would never have BMW, that has changed ,now solely BMW
 
There's junk made in many countries, I do my homework and buy the best I can afford or that would do me for a good while, irrespective of where it comes from. Prejudice in the form of calling people Chinkies ignores the way everything we use generally originates there ( China and the far east)from phones to computers to hi fi speakers. All pass the discerning standards of the discerning westerners. Manufacturing in the UK has been winding down for 50 years , what's disconcerting is that we love the price and generally the quality of imported goods, but countries like China don't have our best interests in mind. If we ever needed to get our own manufacturing act together due to a change in world order, we'd struggle to get the infrastructure set up.
 
Joking apart, the lack of acceptance of Japanese motorcycles was largely because of the war. The boss of the bike shop I started with took a lot of flack for taking on Hondas , in fact his partner refused to have Japanese anything on the premises. A compromise was struck-Ernie was to run a sister shop that became our Royal Enfield branch and had nothing to do with Honda. Honda shop is still going, still selling Honda.
A Jewish mate of mines parents would never have BMW, that has changed ,now solely BMW
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My dad spent years in the jungles of New Guinea during WW2 fighting against the Japanese. I guess he was traumatised by what he saw and probably also by what he had to do because he never collected his military medals, nor spoke a word about his wartime activities for the remainder of his life. But he never held a grudge against the Japanese. He worked with Japanese companies in his job (power station design engineer) in the years after the war, travelled to Japan to meet with suppliers of generating equipment, and often stayed as a guest in their homes. I've seen photos of him wearing a traditional Japanese kimono and those clunky Japanese wooden sandal things while sharing a meal with a Japanese family in their home. He had no moral issues about buying a Toyota Crown in 1967. If he was OK with it, then who am I to disagree?

BTW, there's a Chinese motorcycle in my garage: a Benelli triple manufactured after the company was bought by the Qianjiang Motorcycle company.
 
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Your dad's experience certainly makes you think about what the fuck wars ever really achieved. Maybe it brought Japan and Australia closer together?? But it would be nice to think we didn't need to see millions massacred to achieve that. Imperialism is a dangerous plaything.
 
Your dad's experience certainly makes you think about what the fuck wars ever really achieved. Maybe it brought Japan and Australia closer together?? But it would be nice to think we didn't need to see millions massacred to achieve that. Imperialism is a dangerous plaything.
So far China has conquered far more of the world by using economics than any of the bastards using military murder.
 
So far China has conquered far more of the world by using economics than any of the bastards using military murder.
I think about it this way: the Chinese move from agrarian to industrial economy is a few generations behind where other countries were in a similar evolution, they now want to catch up as quickly as possible.

While we weren't around then, people could have levelled very similar criticism of the way factory workers were treated in England that caused the government then to pass the 1833 Factory Act to improve conditions for children working in factories, rephrased:

"Young children were working very long hours in workplaces where conditions were often terrible. The basic act was as follows:
  • no child workers under nine years of age
  • employers must have an age certificate for their child workers
  • children of 9-13 years to work no more than nine hours a day
  • children of 13-18 years to work no more than 12 hours a day
  • children are not to work at night
  • two hours schooling each day for children"
So at that time it was acceptable for 9 year old children to work in factories in England - I'm certainly glad things changed before I was around. Regardless of political system, over time I hope the Chinese economy will progress to where workers have working conditions similar to those we in other countries enjoy. If we buy things made in China then perhaps we help that advancement?
 
my father volunteered for RAF service in 1940 and flew 103 missions with bomber command, a lot of them (towards the end) on daylight raids, he was twice in the sea, after parachuting exit of stricken planes, (holder of golden caterpillar) the last was 2/12/42 after the raid on the Philips radar factory in Eindhoven (NL) he ditched in the North sea (in DECEMBER!) he survived by treading water and was picked up by MTB, he returned to service 3 days later and flew many more finishing as flt/lt. At the other end of the road where he lived his years from age 13 to 83 and the house where I was brought up was another serviceman of similar age, his name was Fergus Anchorn. After the war my father learned that FA had been in hospital in Japan, folowing combat injuries and was the only survivor of a massacre that was dealt the patients, all of them including FA were stabbed with bayonet rifles whilst still in their beds, almost the whole ward died, I dont know how many, but a lot, GA was the single survivor, by playing dead and eventually fell into the hands of the yanks, even though he had lost pints of blood, he lived to tell the tale, on this one single act my father refused to buy anything Japanese for the remainder of his life, he didnt critisise me for doing that tho' and he had another golden rule as an ex Bomber pilot he refusewd to EVER fly over Germany again, ("the last time I went there I was killing people") and so whenever he was flying off somewhere that there might be a risk, he asked to see the flight plan, three times he would not fly. Mum was not happy those days!
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Reactions postwar varied widely. Depended a lot on which theater they'd served in. Some of my father's friends who'd served in the Pacific were very anti-Jap. Those who served in the desert generally weren't violently anti- German.
The old man had been a POW in Germany for 4 years. SBO in a camp for NCO's. So he'd had more contact with officer class Germans than most.
He waged war in his own quiet way. He spoke good German - and could argue to Olympic levels.
Postwar as a mech engineer he was always keen to get into any German engines. His first BMW was dissected like an autopsy. He'd seen their equipment in action and wanted to see how it differed from ours.
If he was still alive he'd have made a point of visiting the agencies for Chinese vehicles and seeing for himself how good or bad they were.
 
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