Emulators and progressive fork springs

That and feeling we can't possibly go fast without all the trick ego props available in the world.
 
Actually feeling a little sad that I ever read anything about emulators, especially that they were the duck's, and then went and fitted the bastards. I had been perfectly content with the stock Ceriani forks, and now face much fucking around to get them to work as good as they did before I started fucking around.  :(
 
They have a few options but not lots. If mine came with the Blue spring,3 turns of preload and 2 holes it probably would have stayed just like that. As it came with some emulator spring I couldn't compress standing on it and only 1 hole it was way to stiff for our typical back roads.Maybe fine on just laid hot mix, way out for Buckets Way type roads.
 
Maxton dialled in the cartridges and springs when they made the conversion, based on weight and riding style and some other questions.
I would trust a professional suspension company over my 'abilities' any day.  :o :D
 
When I got my emulators and new rear suspension for both Monty and the Triumph Speedy, my guy asked for bike, rider, weight, style etc. and made them to suit.. basically bolt on and in after that (and he provides an upgrade service when needed..), with a couple of small tweaks as I either learned more about what I was using, or doing in any particular setting. All my work is done in racing, but the general basics would still apply I would think.

Talk to the guy before you spend the money.. it is not just bolt on stuff. Otherwise, the way the bike was designed originally is probably quite adequate for us mere mortals.. ;)

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Grant said:
Maxton dialled in the cartridges and springs when they made the conversion, based on weight and riding style and some other questions.
I would trust a professional suspension company over my 'abilities' any day.  :o :D
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What are you saying, Grant, some of your restorations been a little 'unsafe'? :o :D
 
  put a set of Honda cartridges in my forks - laid out a massive ?3 for them on fleabay - got 3 sets of springs made at different poundages for?100 - so not really expensive. On the other hand - it's taken me days of machining and working out the best way to do it. - still got a way to go to get it exactly as i want  - Got some neat Yam R6 adjusters too - so with all the bells and whistles i can adjust for England now! Regards - Phil
 

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Sounds like the way to go, Phil. If you get it right and all the machining allows a good fit, it's a very economical upgrade. Has anyone investigated low stiction bushings for Ceris or Marzos?

I have a set of M1R 38mm Marz but the stiction issues were terrible. I've heard there are improvements that can be made to the damping assembly to make them quite good. Part of me wants a semi-orig Italianate front end (with 08 Goldlines) for bike #1.
 
I had a set of M1R 41,7mm 1000 SFC forks changed to cartridges by http://www.hh-racetech.de/HH-Race-Tech-Gabelkit-4/Gabel-Kit-4-Laverda/

not quite as economic as Phil's modification, but the forks were close to perfect! No stiction anymore, movement was freely and very good.

Hoffmann is not only exchanging original system against the cartridge system, he is changing parts and making sure, holes are centric and in parallel to each other etc., which is not always the case on the forks...

As I had 2 1000 SFC's at the same time, I had a perfect comparison between the two and I can confirm that the fork definitely felt different in a positive way...

At that time, the price was 750? for the conversion. seems prices have gone to 850? now... :o
 
There are some looking at line boring and fitting bushes, hope it works out as that's what my Pantah needs.
 
LaverdaIan said:
When I got my emulators and new rear suspension for both Monty and the Triumph Speedy, my guy asked for bike, rider, weight, style etc. and made them to suit.. basically bolt on and in after that (and he provides an upgrade service when needed..), with a couple of small tweaks as I either learned more about what I was using, or doing in any particular setting. All my work is done in racing, but the general basics would still apply I would think.

Talk to the guy before you spend the money.. it is not just bolt on stuff. Otherwise, the way the bike was designed originally is probably quite adequate for us mere mortals.. ;)

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The problem with Racetech being that they completely changed how the emulators were to be fitted to Ceriani forks after I had bought and fitted the gear from them and used their advice for fitting and setting up. Originally no spacers were required (unlike for Marzo forks) and original springs were to be used. Now the recommend a spacer with a teflon seal ring and using their own, shorter springs. If shipping wasn't so expensive I would have just sent them to Maxton and had them sorted to pair with the lovely Maxton shocks.
 
Laverdalothar said:
I had a set of M1R 41,7mm 1000 SFC forks changed to cartridges by http://www.hh-racetech.de/HH-Race-Tech-Gabelkit-4/Gabel-Kit-4-Laverda/

Hoffmann is not only exchanging original system against the cartridge system, he is changing parts and making sure, holes are centric and in parallel to each other etc., which is not always the case on the forks...

At that time, the price was 750? for the conversion. seems prices have gone to 850? now... :o
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Thanks Lothar. I couldn't get a clean page on their website but very good to know the re are solutions out there.
 
What do the R6 adjusters do ........ are they just a screw that fits in the front of your fork or are there more bits inside?
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The R6 adjusters have an integral needle valve affair and it screws in and out of a corresponding drilling in the (removable) insert in the fork - changes the damping a fair bit. - Regards - Phil
 
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