Executive pannier rack mounting

[murphus]

Anybody out there with an Executive who could share photos of the racks mounted and their attaching points, sans hard cases? I picked up a mostly complete Executive setup (missing turn signals and fender extension, and also missing two of the original "locking pawls" and all four pawl spacers) and can't quite suss out exactly how it mounts up. I have all the brackets. And should mention my RGS was kitted out with the full Executive package when new by owner #1. Owner #2 didn't like the setup and sold it off. That means that my bike already has the holes drilled in the side plates for the stay rods, plus the extra holes for the bat wings in the fairing. I have the factory parts list, which is of some help if only that it makes clear what bits I'm missing, but given I've never examined one in the flesh I'm hoping some pics will make the mounting scheme clear.

 

[Paul LeClair]

I'll shoot and post some photos tomorrow

 

[murphus]

That would be great, thanks Paul.

 

[Paul LeClair]

11 photos. Spread over two posts. If you want close up shots of any particular area just let me know.

 

[Paul LeClair]

more 7, 8 , and 9 are with the lock bar open and down the way it needs to be to slide the bag into the mounts from the rear, 10 is with the bar up in position and locked as if the bag was then installed and locked in place.

 

[murphus]

Thanks Paul, those help a lot. I basically had it right, what's confusing me is the forward bracket looks to require a spacer for the rack to sit plumb, but apparently not. That said, I haven't installed the rear bracket with Laverda script that ties the rack together at the rear. And whomever installed the Exec kit years ago drilled the holes in the side plates for the strut in a different, lower location than the factory recommended. Apparently it worked as I have pics of the bike from back in the day, but its location blocks the passenger peg from folding up. Thanks again, Paul, if I need anything more help/pics I'll lean on you!

 

[murphus]

Hey Paul, if you still have the bags off, and with the seat off, could you take a few pics looking down from above so I can see how the carriers line up with the frame? Are they essentially straight fore and aft, or do they cant in? When I try to line the brackets up with their mounting points on the rear frame rails they don't want to join flat. From what I can see I have the correct brackets, but something seems off.

 

[Dellortoman]

something seems off.

You need a bigger hammer.

 

[murphus]

Or a bigger brain.

 

[Paul LeClair]

as requested, looks like the bag mounts are farther out from the bike at the front of the mounts, then sort of angle back inwards the farther back they go. Let me know what measurements you need. Look at the Executive bags from the top. They are thinnest at the front, thickest at the rear. The way the mounting brackets are set up they mimic that thin to thick In reverse, so farthest away at the front, closest at the rear), so that the outer face of the bags when mounted on the bike are parallel to the side of the bike.

 

[rowdypat]

That tape measure would create the greatest confusion and muck ups with my apprentices in this part of the world!

 

[Andy]

That tape measure would create the greatest confusion and muck ups with my apprentices in this part of the world!

I remember a very old builder telling me the story of the conversion here. He had a set of plans in metric (converted... so wall heights were 2438) but his guys had those stupid dual measurement rulers. All sorts of confusion... until he called a stop and called everyone into the smoko shed: "Give me all your rulers and tape measures!". He collected them and threw them all in the bin. Then he drove to the timberyard and bought them all metric-only tape measures and rulers. When he got back to site and handed them all their new gear there was quite a protest, but he said "Listen! I don't care what you call them, call them elephants if you want, BUT YOU WILL MEASURE IN MILLIMETERES FROM NOW ON!"

 

[Vince]

Many years after Oz went metric in my first year as an apprentice, I was working in David Jones Joinery shop, a traditional ye oldy huge Department Store building their Christmas Displays and the same age as me ex-pat Scottish foreman spent all day converting the detailed drawings back and forth from Imperial to metric. Just so dumb. Those dual tapes, metric on one side and imperial on the other were such a pain trying to eyeball across to the other tape side. Those pannier mounts look really complicated.

 

[murphus]

Thanks for the extra pics, Paul. Heading out for the holiday weekend here, will look at it again when I get back.

 

[Paul LeClair]

I just grabbed the first tape measure that came to hand.... I have tape measures and other measuring tools in solely metric, solely imperial, and dual metric and imperial. Canada has supposedly been a "metric" country for several decades, but in practice it is another story. Very frustrating and often very confusing.

 

[chrisk]

I remember a very old builder telling me the story of the conversion here. He had a set of plans in metric (converted... so wall heights were 2438) but his guys had those stupid dual measurement rulers. All sorts of confusion... until he called a stop and called everyone into the smoko shed: "Give me all your rulers and tape measures!". He collected them and threw them all in the bin. Then he drove to the timberyard and bought them all metric-only tape measures and rulers. When he got back to site and handed them all their new gear there was quite a protest, but he said "Listen! I don't care what you call them, call them elephants if you want, BUT YOU WILL MEASURE IN MILLIMETERES FROM NOW ON!"

“Ruler” is a brand of rule.

 

[Andy]

“Ruler” is a brand of rule.

yeah, well, I'm going to change that when I'm the ruler

Assuming I measure up

 

[Vince]

Many years ago I was working for The Reserve Bank in Oz and we had a Female Apprentice Chippy. Poor kid had to work with your typical 1980s tradies but handled their ignorance well. I did get a laugh once when she was asking what the hell was these sixteenths eighths and quarters the older blokes were talking about. What really confused her was when they would say take a bare eighth or a full eighth off it. She had mm off pat.

 

[motoddrob]

When I was model making it was either a poofteenth or pussy hair too much or too little

 

[chrisk]

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