Feckin HONDA!!! Not Laverda, not even bike sorry.....

drikko

drikko

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Having just had the fuel pump replaced on Thursday I was looking forward to some trouble free motoring while I can't ride the bikes, but dammit this afternoon it refused to start, big clunk coming from starter solenoid but no turny, turns out the starter solenoid is cactus. Clunks but not switching power to the starter. I assume the contacts are stuffed. Unfortunatey as you can see by the pic below it isn't designed to be pulled apart any further, the rolled top edge has refused any attempt to lever/hammer/abuse it out to let me see inside. Any hints as to how to get the fucker open!!!

I assume Honda will want me to buy a whole new starter and solenoid etc.

I'm stranded now, although my sons totally gay lowered, extracted subaru is sitting there but I'm too embarrassed to get in it.....HELP!

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If you take it into a real auto parts supplier you may be able to get one.

Have a look at Supercrap parts finder to see if that gives you any clues.

http://www.supercheapauto.com.au/parts-guide.aspx

I doubt Honda have a specific starter. It will most probably be a generic unit made by a Japanese electrical manufacturer. Once you know the brand then finding bits will be a lot easier.

Can't just get another starter from a wrecker?

Embarrassed? Suburu? Don't you think the ship of dignity has already sailed?  :LOL:

Rod
 
It's got about 1.4 inches of ground clearance, you can hear the muffler from about 17miles away, enormous spoiler, goes doof doof and has racing stickers all over the back window. Surely you're not expecting me to get into that.....

Maybe if I wear this disguise with some sunnies it'll be OK.

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Drikko,You are correct in thinking the contacts in the solenoid don't. The starters used here in the states are either ND or Mitsuba. The one you have there looks like a ND piece. They are used widely on Japanese and many Euro cars so finding something in a scrapyard shouldn't be too hard.You could try grinding through part of the rolled lip to get a purchase enough to bend the rest out of the way on the one you have.Usually the faces of the big copper contacts have eroded but sometimes a file can clean them up enough to make them work,for a while. Epoxy might hold the case together again,for a while. 
 
OR! Put the old solenoid back on,Find a suitable heavyish cable to attach to the motor side of the starter,Find an old Ford starter solenoid[the separate kind],attach the battery cable and your new cable from the old starter and the lead from switch and crank away. If desperate the starter relay from your Lav might even suffice!
 
wdietz186 said:
OR! Put the old solenoid back on,Find a suitable heavyish cable to attach to the motor side of the starter,Find an old Ford starter solenoid[the separate kind],attach the battery cable and your new cable from the old starter and the lead from switch and crank away. If desperate the starter relay from your Lav might even suffice!
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So far so good now that you've got the starter turning all you have to do now is find away to engage the starter gear with the flywheel.
                                        Dave
 
Nah a  lav solenoid won't suffice.. As a car starter is fitted with a bendix type 'flinger'

  Where are you and which car is is it? I use a company Atlas Auto Electric who can source ANYTHING !!

                  Timanboobs
 
Hhhmmm, now there's food for thought, the mechanical part of of the solenoid is still working so there's no reason I couldn't run both the existing solenoid and a heavy electrical solenoid in parallel, trouble is though you don't want the starter motor spinning up before it's engaged I guess, will have to think about that. The starter motor itself is only about half the size of Argys.

Will see what my friendly Honda parts man comes up with on Monday first and I'll have another go at attacking the case today. Might get the dremel out and finally use it for some good!

Thanks for the hints folks  :)
 
well I wonder when that photos going to turn up........

BINGO, so I got abit violent with the roll top and got the solenoid apart, on the end of the plunger is a fibre washer which I assume limits the travel. It was broken in half and one half had fallen into the contacts keeping them apart. Replaced with an old leather tap washer trimmed down and it's all good, works like a beut for a while at least :)

Out of focus photo, phone doesn't do macro unfortunately.

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drikko said:
well I wonder when that photos going to turn up........

BINGO, so I got abit violent with the roll top and got the solenoid apart, on the end of the plunger is a fibre washer which I assume limits the travel. It was broken in half and one half had fallen into the contacts keeping them apart. Replaced with an old leather tap washer trimmed down and it's all good, works like a beut for a while at least :)

Out of focus photo, phone doesn't do macro unfortunately.

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Hope you put a new sticker on the starter---------- Made in Japan
                                                                    Remade in Australia 
                                                                                              Dave
 
A Fucking TAP WASHER .....Now why didnt I think of THAT. Hope it's held together with rabbit proof fencing wire !

    NEXT Thing Skippys tail will be a fucking fan belt
 
chrisk said:
Drikko, Mardi Gras is not until February......
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Well you would know....

So just for shits and giggles I rang Honda this morning to see what a spare starter solenoid was going to cost. Was expecting a high price but $450! I asked if that included the starter motor as well, but no just the solenoid. I just burst into laughter and said thanks but no thanks. The right one is available from the US for $41 delivered to home in 7 - 10 days! Sure it's non genuine but I bet it comes from the same place, just doesn't have a Honda stamp on it, mind you neither did the original one.

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/STARTER-SOLENOID-Acura-CL-EL-TL-Honda-Accord-Civic-Prelude-Odyssey-12-VOLT-/261001815529?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item3cc4eba5e9

No wonder people aren't supporting local businesses.
 
I ordered a couple of bleed nipples for wifeys CR-V front brakes as diligent main dealer mechanics had
worn all the corners off the original ones.
Special Honda size sir not available from usual sources.
"Would you like to book the car in to have them fitted as they are a safety critical part?"
Not a part the main dealer had in stock which seemed odd but perhaps explained the smoothness of the
fitted ones.
Picked them up after declining their fitting offer.
?27.00 for two, and they had the cheek to look offended when I laughed.
 
Ha, next door neighbours sat-nav went tits up on his BMW 745i. He went to the main dealer and they quoted around ?1200 to replace it. He is a bit of a tart with his car and nearly stumped up the dosh (immaculate car is now only worth around ?4000-Petrol V8, should be a Diesel) but he found a mob that could repair it for ?180.

Just goes to show with almost anything, don't get ripped off - shop around.
 
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