Heads-up - gas filters in ped-cock

Laverdalothar

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just wanted to give a heads up to check filters of the ped cocks and also the carbs for rust and dirt.

wasn't on a Laverda, but we had my dad's bike (old Triumph BDG 250H) completely dismanteled and restored the engine. However, on first tour, the bike started pinking after several kilometers and did cut out. you could re-start the bike right away, but with the same result (and the distance between stops got worse and worse...).

I took the fuel-pipe off the carburator and saw fuel almost just dripping out of the pipe...

at home, we measured the fuel flow with a simple method: took a beaker with a ml-scale and stopped time until 100ml went into it. Took us 2:23 Minutes! Doing the maths, this means 2,5 Liters per hour... assuming the bike runs roughly 90Km/h on WOT, this would mean the fuel supply would be roughly 2,75 Liters/ 100km - waaayyy to low!

we took the ped-cock off the tank, drained the fule, inspected the tank and the fuel and everything looked very clear and no sign of rust. Then we opened the ped-cock...

both holes were almost blocked (standard and reserve) and there was a little foam filter in it, that also was almost black!

Cleaning everything, we could now drain 100ml in 43 Seconds => 8,4 Liters per hour => gives roughly 9,6 Liters per 100Km at WOT

Problem is not 100% solved yet (I assume the float to be set wrongly) as it still cuts out and pings, but at least one cause is solved.

To bring a relevance to the Laverdas: I had fuel-supply issues at WOT with both the SFC 1000 and the Jota and have solved it on the Jota with a low-pressure fuel pump on the Keihin application (will do the same for the SFC as well as the Motoplast...). Before that, I drilled the holes and lines bigger in the ped cocks and do check for rust and dirt regularely on all filters...

So - pls. - if you go for WOT-runs regularely, do your bike a favor and check for that, please. It doesn't take much material to block this very small fuel supply bottle neck...
 
Guess some of the crap got past the filters in the pet cocks, or fuel taps, and bunged up a gallery in the carbs.
Also if the filters in the fuel taps are blocked I would be concerned why. Rust in the tank?
 
Hi Grant,

no Rust, nothing. Keep in mind, the bike is from 1953 and is a 2-stroke. it was just black mud, I assume maybe from the oil in the fuel in that case?!?

If a galery in the carb was blocked, it would start pinging right when you put load on the bike. It only happens after some time of WOT riding (several kilometers), I assume the float bowl simply runs out of fuel over time... could well be also a "hanging" float.

Had a similar effect as said on the Jota and the SFC... However, we will check again all galeries (carb has been freshly overhauled by a company...).
 
Laverdalothar said:
Cleaning everything, we could now drain 100ml in 43 Seconds => 8,4 Liters per hour => gives roughly 9,6 Liters per 100Km at WOT

Lothar , at 43 secs per 100ml it still looks like you did not have sufficient flow, have you checked the venting of the filler cap already?
 
yes, we did. Bike typically consumes 3,5 Liters in average /100Km. doubt more than 3 times that much at WOT, however, that is also one point we'll check. I also fear the fule-line is a bit to small (it's a rubber hose, which makes it difficult to tell if it's the right size, it will slip over the peadcock no matter how thin it is inside...
 
Lothar, my old 1961 Vespa GS is in the same fuel consumption range as the Triumph, but douzes out a half-filled tank more than 1litre/min through the hose (7mm ID) with tap open. Nearly 10 time the flow rate you have measured. At your trickle rate, propably not more needed than a little air bubble, trapped inside the hose, to stop it entirely from running. Did you already try to measure a  flow rate w/o hose, directly out the tap? If this does not improve things,  something upward the tap outlet must be still not in order....or there is simply not enough fuel left in the tank. :D
 
HI Lothar - Re: rubber fuel hoses - they can also swell on the inside (the fuel touching surface), so as well as being small, they could be self-constricting. They may well look OK on the outside.
 
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