installing pistons/rings in triple bores - best practice?

beauchemin said:
Here's the wrinkle band compressor for cheap, and they ship to Canada via USPS.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Performance-Tool-W80574-Wrinkle-Band-Ring-Compressor-/400557802235?pt=Motors_Automotive_Tools&hash=item5d431b02fb&vxp=mtr#ht_139wt_1036 

Think I will get a set.  Probably can get 3 for @ $40 including shipping.

Hi Chris

that particular tool is too big for your 75 mm bore, doesn't adjust small enough, smallest it adjusts down to is 76.4 mm. Would work for a 80 mm 1200 bore IF the band comes apart, but it doesn't look like it, it looks like the band is riveted on both ends to the tool. We need to find a ring compressor that can be taken apart to get it off the rod under the barrel once the piston slides into the bore.

Paul LeClair
 
Hi Chris

I had a closer look, and did a little more searching you are absolutely right, the band does hook together and come apart. I just ordered three, for $43.23 USD all in, shipping by USPS, thanks for finding that!

I figure you should just do your 1200 conversion, and go ahead and order these ring compressors..... ;)

Paul LeClair
 
Dellortoman said:
Try doing it on a 6-cylinder bike.
I haven't done it with either of my sixes (Kawasaki and Benelli) and hoping I never have to.

Benelli 750 Sei is a piece of cake, the little suckers almost slide in by themself...  Cut myself a set of thin tin strips and closed them up with cable ties, installation took less than 30 minutes for all 6.

piet
 
Hi Paul, an extra set of hands is very handy when dropping the barrel down. When I did the rings on my triple I cut a number of thin wooden strips to support the barrels. Strips could be removed in stages as the barrel was lowered. Difficult to explain but I'm sure you get the idea. Go Riders!
Dennis
 
This one is 2 to 5 inch and has a thinner strap/band http://www.amazon.com/Powerbuilt-648434-Wrinkle-Piston-Compressor/dp/B001CZASD6/ref=pd_sim_sbs_auto_2/188-0096248-2505967
 
Hi Davo

that looks like a good tool for the job. Unfortunately it is on Amazon.com, who won't ship to Canada. Also unfortunately, it is not available at all on Amazon Canada. This Amazon USA vs Amazon Canada is a real sore spot, lots of great things on Amazon USA that are not available on Amazon Canada, or if available, are three times the price on Amazon Canada.

Annoyed me so much I went through the process of buying myself a reshippers address in the USA only to find that as my credit card has a Canadian address Amazon USA won't process my purchase or even send the item to the bloody re shipper....

when I get really desperate on big ticket items, I PayPal money to a brother in Texas, he charges it to his credit card, then re ships it to me once he receives it.

Paul LeClair
 
Odd that they won't ship to Canada. Seems to be no problem shipping to Australia.
You could get one of our friends in USA to buy them for you. If you buy 3 of them you get free shipping within USA.

Cam
 
Hi Paul,

I may be a bit late to the party, but I just installed the pistons with new rings on my 3C.  I have only
one ring compressor (new item and quite tall) so I ruled out trying to fit pistons into their bores after installing
them on their rods.  I installed each piston with new rings from the top of the bores one at a time.  I used
plenty of oil and tightened up the ring compressor.  I did a few very light taps with a piece of wood and the pistons
dropped right in.

I also had all the case/barrel studs removed, so I installed two shorter ones on the upper edge as a guide.
I positioned the barrels on the studs and used a wooden spacer to hold them off the engine cases.  Oh, I did
install a new base gasket beforehand.  I practiced with few wood spacers beforehand to get the barrels as low as I could
and still access the piston pins.  I also had installed the pins and the inner circlip for each piston before installation
into their bores.  On the center piston I did not install the circlip toward the cam chain, just so I had more room.

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The only tricky part was installing the remaining circlips, but once I did the first, the last two went
easier.  Just make sure you cover any holes to the crankcase with rags when doing this operation. 
It appears most contributors to the forum install the pistons the more traditional way, but I found
this method relatively easy and straight forward.  Just take your time when turning over the crankshaft
to position the con rods so you do not expose any rings on the piston you just connected.  I did the
inner first and the outers last.  I did have to drop the barrel another an inch when I did the outers.

Good luck....

Keith
 
Hi Keith

thanks so much for the clear explanation and photos.

I have not done the install yet, I ordered three of the wrinkle band type ring compressors and am waiting for those to arrive, but with your approach I would not have to wait, once I get new wrist pin clips.....hmmmmm........

Paul LeClair
 
Paul LeClair said:
I have not done the install yet, I ordered three of the wrinkle band type ring compressors and am waiting for those to arrive, but with your approach I would not have to wait, once I get new wrist pin clips.....hmmmmm........

Paul LeClair

circlips are somewhere between Canada and Australia right now heading your way by express courier bag

 
redax5 said:
circlips are somewhere between Canada and Australia right now heading your way by express courier bag

thanks so much, Red!

I am putting the waiting time to good use, lots of other things needing doing on the project, put the fork legs together today, put the three master cylinders together today, did some cleaning and organizing, need to do some more sandblasting as I have not done the triple trees yet, can still put the rest of the bottom end of the engine together, have to install the clutch, primary, etc., etc., have lots of engine case polishing to do on primary, alt cover, and so on.... ;)

Paul LeClair
 
Dellortoman said:
Odd that they won't ship to Canada. Seems to be no problem shipping to Australia.
You could get one of our friends in USA to buy them for you. If you buy 3 of them you get free shipping within USA.

Cam

Hummm..you know Paul is an attorney by profession..just reading his purchase/resell contract might take you a week :LOL:
 
I think it's also important is to make sure that the bottom of the bore has an adequate internal chamfer, to provide a good lead-in for the rings.
I'm not too sure how big it should be, maybe 3 mm x 45 degrees?
Maybe Piet, Red or Keith can advise?

Steve
 
They have a good chamfer as standard but obviously this is lost as the liners are overbored, I used to re-machine the chamfer when I had bored a liner which was another set up operation after boring, I just file them in now before honing, makes assembly that bit easier.


    Keith
 
Hi, Paul.
this is indeed a factory tool set for the piston installation.
Came with a bunch of NOS parts some years ago, but lost
the Italian description.

Ernesto
 

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It's a shit load easier if the 120 length cyl liners are fitted (the 180's are longer and extend further into the crankcase).

Here's my compressor - Alu srtip bashed around an old piston. Heat to soften and stop springback.
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Paul H
 
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