International Laverda 750SFC Owners Registry book

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Anyone interested can PM ........ VGC and comes with a compliment slip from ILOC Chairman Ray Sheepwash ....... Only minus point is slight thumb impression on page edge ..... much more visible on image I`ve included than you`d normally notice .......
 
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err, well,........... that is not actually the registry book, that was a very limited edition by Massimo Borghesi, this book is Marnix's and a very vert good history book it is indeed, but does not include the numbered registry.
CLEM
 
Clem, the numbered registry was wrong in 1991 and it is more wrong in 2023. The Italian book is confusing for someone who does not know much about 750 SFCs. Marnix book is great, with detailed information about all SFC series. Although I would wish a new extended edition from Marnix ... Ciao, Gert
 
CLEMTOG said:
err, well,........... that is not actually the registry book, that was a very limited edition by Massimo Borghesi, this book is Marnix's and a very vert good history book it is indeed, but does not include the numbered registry.
CLEM
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Took the title from the line at the bottom of the front cover ........ I know it says 750SFC in big letters at the top .....

I have a copy of the Borghesi book ......... It is actually un numbered ..... the little box at the front is left blank ........ It says the first limited edition was of 1000 copies ........ So this isn`t one of those ...... However , there is nothing in the book that I can see that differentiate between any first or second edition ......

I may offer that up if anyone is interested ...... No idea of the value ( whatever anyone is willing to pay , I guess ) ... but I recall seeing a copy on eBay about 10 -15 years ago ........ No idea if it was a numbered one .......Buy it Now was £800 ! ..... Whether it actually went for that in the end is anyone`s guess ........

PS ..... Do you think if I write a number very carefully in that box , it will increase the value by a couple of hundred quid ... ? ...... ( Only joking ........ maybe un numbered ones are more valuable , you never know ...... depends how many are around ...... !!! ) .......

Not sure if I want to part with this one though ........ Almost as good as owning the real thing ..... although the Marnix and Borghesi books sort of go hand in hand .... So if I`m getting rid of the one , then ..........

Here`s some pics from that Borghesi book .....2023-09-21 (4).png2023-09-21 (5).png2023-09-21.png2023-09-21 (1).png2023-09-21 (2).png
 
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MarnixSFC said:
Better keep the small book, takes less space.

Marnix
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This is true , the Borghesi book is a bloody great thing ......... I am tempted to keep both ... they are both fine books , and contain practically everything you want to know about Laverda`s greatest motorcycle ......

I bought them in anticipation of one day getting hold of a SFC ..... but that was 30 years ago , and still no sign of that SFC ....... So I thought someone else might appreciate looking at them and dreaming ......

Anyone got a SFC they want to swop for a 4XV R1 and XJ6S ? ...... Doesn`t have to be an Electronica , a `74 Points / Disc will do ........
 
CLEMTOG said:
err, well,........... that is not actually the registry book, that was a very limited edition by Massimo Borghesi, this book is Marnix's and a very vert good history book it is indeed, but does not include the numbered registry.
CLEM
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Clem,
That is the SFC registry book.
The Borghesi "registry" isn't one, even the bikes in the nice colour photos illustrating the different types of SFC are for some totally wrong.
And it's not such a limited edition. Those who bought it as such were done.
Paul
 
Paul Marx said:
Clem,
That is the SFC registry book.
The Borghesi "registry" isn't one, even the bikes in the nice colour photos illustrating the different types of SFC are for some totally wrong.
And it's not such a limited edition. Those who bought it as such were done.
Paul
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I paid £45 for the Borghesi book back in `95 / 96 , from a mainstream car / bike book seller ( Millhouse Books over in Boston , it may have been ) ........ It is a nicely produced book ...... There is a listing towards the end of each serial number within each batch ( 5000 , 8000 and so on ) , for each year ( 1971 - 1976 ) ........

This book was printed in 1994 ....... The listing includes the then whereabouts ( country by country ) of each SFC , and the then current owner / custodian .......... but of course there are lots of " data on hold " ( blank ) entries ...... probably accounting for some 40% of all SFC`s listed ( I haven`t bothered counting them all ) ...

No idea how accurate the information is .............. Although it does show those SFC`s which are listed as being in the hands of Massimo and Brettoni , Angiolini , Strung and Warren Dorn , for example ...... and the very first SFC ( 5612 ) still being with Alan Bell .......

There are also quite a few colour photos of owners bikes ...... ( I`m not sure that I go along with the full fairing and colour scheme on Marco Gossemberg`s 1974 16000 series ....... Sorry if you`re reading this and still have the bike , Marco , nothing personal ..... ) .........

So accurate or not , you can bet it`s now certainly out of date .... but still interesting to look at though ...........

BTW .... I guess the "registry " in the title of the Marnix / Tim Isles book is more of a reference to a register ( or history ) of the SFC`s development throughout it`s production run , rather than a register of each individual machine , ( which of course it isn`t ) ...........
 
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rocketonarail said:
I paid £45 for the Borghesi book back in `95 / 96 , from a mainstream car / bike book seller ( Millhouse Books over in Boston , it may have been ) ........ It is a nicely produced book ...... There is a listing towards the end of each serial number within each batch ( 5000 , 8000 and so on ) , for each year ( 1971 - 1976 ) ........

This book was printed in 1994 ....... The listing includes the then whereabouts ( country by country ) of each SFC , and the then current owner / custodian .......... but of course there are lots of " data on hold " ( blank ) entries ...... probably accounting for some 40% of all SFC`s listed ( I haven`t bothered counting them all ) ...

No idea how accurate the information is .............. Although it does show those SFC`s which are listed as being in the hands of Massimo and Brettoni , Angiolini , Strung and Warren Dorn , for example ...... and the very first SFC ( 5612 ) still being with Alan Bell .......

There are also quite a few colour photos of owners bikes ...... ( I`m not sure that I go along with the full fairing and colour scheme on Marco Gossemberg`s 1974 16000 series ....... Sorry if you`re reading this and still have the bike , Marco , nothing personal ..... ) .........

So accurate or not , you can bet it`s now certainly out of date .... but still interesting to look at though ...........

BTW .... I guess the "registry " in the title of the Marnix / Tim Isles book is more of a reference to a register ( or history ) of the SFC`s development throughout it`s production run , rather than a register of each individual machine , ( which of course it isn`t ) ...........
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You have 2 hours and 4000 words to explain the difference between register and registry.
Where do you think Borghesi got his information ?
Paul
 
well I certainly opened a can of worms their, as always I should have been more specific, Marnix's book does not have the numerical list of bikes produced, who owns them and where they are, which I (sort of) took as the registry, Marnix has the registry, it is not publicly available and rightly so,, Borghesi's book was always out of date, and as time goes by gets more so, it doesnt even show the seven SFC's (all of them 5,000 series) that I own.
CLEM
 
Paul Marx said:
You have 2 hours and 4000 words to explain the difference between register and registry.
Where do you think Borghesi got his information ?
Paul
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I refer you to Clems previous answer ....... I was referring to the books and the books only ........ how they are presented , and the information they contain ........

The Borghesi book includes a register ( or printed registry ) of individual bikes ... however accurate or inaccurate it may be , that is what it includes ........

The Marnix book includes the word registry in it`s cover title , but does not include a register of individual bikes ........ instead it is a registry of the development of the SFC in the generic sense only .......


I`m about to explain the difference between register and registry :

Register = A written record containing items or entries of details

Registry = A place where those written records are kept

( Didn`t need 2 hours and 4000 words by the way ........ managed it in a minute and 100 words ........ ) .....

Hope this helps ......
 
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The van der Schalk and Isles book, don't forget Tim Isles , was produced by the 750 SFC registry which holds the register.
The register is not public for reasons of privacy but also because it guarantees the authenticity of the machines in it.
If you're in the market for an SFC and use the Borghesi book or the Laverdamania "register" as a basis to judge the authenticity of your future purchase, you're on the right track to loose a lot of money.
Paul
 
CLEMTOG said:
well I certainly opened a can of worms their, as always I should have been more specific, Marnix's book does not have the numerical list of bikes produced, who owns them and where they are, which I (sort of) took as the registry, Marnix has the registry, it is not publicly available and rightly so,, Borghesi's book was always out of date, and as time goes by gets more so, it doesnt even show the seven SFC's (all of them 5,000 series) that I own.
CLEM
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Seven ? ......... bleedin `ell ............. That`s far too many for one person .......... Couldn`t you make do with six and give one to me ? .......... I`m sure you wouldn`t miss it ... :) .........Wasn`t there a Dominic Langdon Down ( I think that was it ) near to you who had a collection of them as well ?
 
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Paul Marx said:
The van der Schalk and Isles book, don't forget Tim Isles , was produced by the 750 SFC registry which holds the register.
The register is not public for reasons of privacy but also because it guarantees the authenticity of the machines in it.
If you're in the market for an SFC and use the Borghesi book or the Laverdamania "register" as a basis to judge the authenticity of your future purchase, you're on the right track to loose a lot of money.
Paul
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So the title of the book is in fact 750 SFC ........ The line International Laverda 750SFC " Owners Registry " at the bottom is , in fact , a reference to the publishers of the book , not a sub title ....... in which case I offer an apology for any confusion .........

..... You can still see from the images I posted which book I`m on about though ..........
 
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as I said "can of worms and apologies to all.
Dominic Langdon-Down had one SFC reg number SFC75N, Phil Todd bought it and a while later sold it on, someone will know where it is, and rocket on rail, I am sending you one of my 5,000 series SFC's, you are right seven is far too many. Not even Van Der Schalk, PL, the museum (Werner) or Keller has that many.
CLEM
 
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