Jota Battery

<sigh> I'm getting lost in all this: I'm merely looking for a battery which doesn't spill acid all over my chrome parts (Chris: just don't go there..) and which stands a reasonable chance of not being flat after a month or so of inactivity without being hooked up to a life support machine.. I mean, how hard can it be?


Thanks for all the input tho!


AndyW.. :-\
 
AndyW said:
<sigh> I'm getting lost in all this: I'm merely looking for a battery which doesn't spill acid all over my chrome parts (Chris: just don't go there..) and which stands a reasonable chance of not being flat after a month or so of inactivity without being hooked up to a life support machine.. I mean, how hard can it be?


Thanks for all the input tho!


AndyW.. :-\
Odyssey or Motobatt.
 
Andy,
Go to this link to Sydney Battery Mart
http://www.batterymart.com.au/display.php?ids=115

select the Deka ETX16L, follow the instructions for payment and delivery address
will arrive on your door step within 48 hours
they are a good decent battery that last well, don't require flash as fuck battery chargers and are way smaller than a mongrel lead/acid piece of crap


 
Go Deka. Had  one on the Yellow Peril for a couple of years now, absolutely no problems.
 
+1 on Deka. Motobatt is good too. Had a bad experience with an Oddyssey so won't touch them now.

However, I think I've recently become a Lithium convert. The little SSB I bought a couple of years ago has done duty in a couple of different bikes that demand a lot of starting current (Ducati MHR Mille and Redaxed RGS track bike). It's happy to be charged on a "normal" smart charger. It weighs nothing and it drives the 12V roller starter better than any other battery I've tried, including the large (truck battery) in my 4WD.
 
Dellortoman said:
+1 on Deka. Motobatt is good too. Had a bad experience with an Oddyssey so won't touch them now.

However, I think I've recently become a Lithium convert. The little SSB I bought a couple of years ago has done duty in a couple of different bikes that demand a lot of starting current (Ducati MHR Mille and Redaxed RGS track bike). It's happy to be charged on a "normal" smart charger. It weighs nothing and it drives the 12V roller starter better than any other battery I've tried, including the large (truck battery) in my 4WD.

Go the SSB Lithium, My Motodd has never cranked over so fast even with Red's Hi comp pistons. If weight is what you want then I'd go with the Deka. Both good batteries.
 
Have a Deka in the Goose, been there since I bought it a few years back and still going strong. Have a SSB LiPo in the Laverda, holds it's charge for ever and cranks it over with ease and does not need a fancy charger.
 
redax5 said:
Andy,
Go to this link to Sydney Battery Mart
http://www.batterymart.com.au/display.php?ids=115

select the Deka ETX16L, follow the instructions for payment and delivery address
will arrive on your door step within 48 hours
they are a good decent battery that last well, don't require flash as fuck battery chargers and are way smaller than a mongrel lead/acid piece of crap


Cheers Red, Order placed (bigthumb)


It'll arrive at your place, Blab, in the next couple of days..


rgds
AndyW
 
A Laverda without acid stains? Whatever next?
Actually the only battery of mine that ever exploded was a gel one. No mess but a long tiring push afterwards with my 3C. It actually blew the side panel off too.
 
pf1 said:
Actually the only battery of mine that ever exploded was a gel one.

Wet cell lead-acid batteries have an air gap above the electrolyte, so there's oxygen in there. They also produce hydrogen as they charge up, which means you have an explosive mixture. If one of the conducting elements breaks while there is a current flowing, you get a spark. Fuel, oxygen, ignition source - that's all you need. Kaboom! Looks like that's what happened to Grant's battery.

Gel and AGM batteries use the same lead-acid chemistry, so they also have the potential for hydrogen explosions. But it's probably less common in them because the conducting elements are better supported and there's less of an air gap.

Lithium batteries can fail too. You hear stories of them bursting into flames or exploding, but I suspect it's a very rare occurrence. The clips of exploding lithium batteries you see on youtube are all caused by someone deliberately mis-treating the battery.

Nearly everybody on the planet carries a lithium battery in their pocket. It's in their mobile phone. How often do you hear of someone getting their arse blown off by an exploding phone?

The difference between mobile phones, computer and motorcycle batteries is that phones and computers have their own in-built smart charger that protects the battery from idiots. Whereas motorcycle batteries have no idiot protection. They can be mis-treated buy being over-charged, short circuited, dropped, etc.
 
I vaguely remember a commercial airliner bought down by someone transporting lithium batteries as freight. Don't remember the details.
 
There were several instances initially, one an Ethiopian Airlines plane.
The missing MH370 was allegedly carrying a pallet of Li batteries.
 
UPS 747 out of Dubai a few years ago caught fire and came down, accident investigators determined it was a large load of Li batteries that caught fire. Most airlines now ban these new Hover boards because of the number catching fire due to low quality Li batteries.
 
Grant said:
The missing MH370 was allegedly carrying a pallet of Li batteries.

That plane didn't go down due to any kind of catastrophic event like a cargo fire. My late brother was an air crash investigator. He had a plausible theory as to what happened to it. It's one of the last conversations I had with him.

I reckon the chances of a lithium battery bursting into flames when it's not connected to anything are so remote that you may as well call it impossible.
 
Dellortoman said:
That plane didn't go down due to any kind of catastrophic event like a cargo fire. My late brother was an air crash investigator. He had a plausible theory as to what happened to it. It's one of the last conversations I had with him.
Well don't just leave it there, Cam  :o  what's the theory?? ??? 

I reckon the chances of a lithium battery bursting into flames when it's not connected to anything are so remote that you may as well call it impossible.

Well, if you've done three impossible things this morning why not round it off with breakfast at Milliways...!!


8)
 
OK. It's a bit of a thread hijack, but what the hell ...

Bob (my brother) said it was most likely a combination of two things. Failure of cabin pressurisation coupled with failure of the crew's oxygen supply. Ghost plane scenario.

Loss of pressure in the emergency oxygen cylinders is not un common, and it brings up an alarm. The normal response by crew is to disable the alarm so it doesn't annoy the crap out of them during their flight. However, if they forget to report it, the oxygen system stays empty and the next crew may not notice because the alarm has been disabled. It could stay like that for any number of subsequent flights until someone notices.

So, they're flying along and there's a loss of cabin pressure. Not an explosive decompression because there was no Mayday reported. So was probably a malfunction in the pressurisation system. A low cabin pressure alarm would have gone off, but that's not panic stations. The crew would calmly put on their oxygen masks and start to go through the response checklist for low cabin pressure. First thing on the list is to switch off the auto-pilot and prepare to descend to a level where oxygen is not required. Apparently there's a bunch of stuff to do before they actually descend, so it takes a few minutes. But if they had no oxygen in their emergency supply, the crew may have passed out before they got very far through the list.

What we end up with is a plane full of unconscious people flying along without autopilot engaged. Boeing aircraft are pretty stable and will generally maintain their altitude and direction when flying level with no control inputs. So it would have kept flying subject to the vagaries of whatever wind streams they happen to fly through until it ran out of fuel, apparently somewhere over the Indian Ocean.

There are a bunch of conspiracy theories, hijacking theories, deliberate ditching by the crew theories, etc ...  But if anything untoward had happened on board, the passengers would have become Distressed. Agitated or upset passengers who think they're about to die get their phones out and start ringing loved ones. If there'd been any commotion on board, mobile phones would have started ringing all over the place. But there was nothing. The plane just went quiet. Everyone went to sleep without any panic or distress.
 
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