Jota centre stand.

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DavLav

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Really struggling to heave the bike onto the centre-stand and after reading a couple of threads on this forum decided to investigate its fixings. I think the attached pics say it all really. On fitting new bushes,bolts and adjusters it is a lot better now thank goodness, dont know how long its been like this as only owned the bike for 6 months or so but another job ticked off the list...20220326_140449.jpg
 
One of those things that wear over a long stretch of time (like points going out ;)) and so often overlooked until some other reason arrives for pulling the stand off (like painting the frame).
 
If it's not a nilock swap it for one, mine lost a non-nilock on its first big camping ride to Philip Island. If you think it's hard try doing it with a lost nut, I started using the dangerous std side stand after that with it loaded with camping gear and it tipped over heading home. I made sure that never happened again, even thought of adding a hole and split pin, apparently great minds think alike, didn't do it but one of the Pom Laverda specialists used to do that. Niloc fixed it for the next 34 years
 
I find this sort of stuff on about 80% of the bikes that pass through the workshop. Some owners neglect the issue for so long that the mounting holes in the frame are buggered, the bracket and stand itself twisted and bent. Then there's the issue of incorrect length rear shocks and/or fork stanchion length. Really cannot understand why one would put up with it for so long, hernia-inducing heaving required every time you stop! Or is it some sort of "italian character" or "macho" thing that I'm missing??

It also amazes me how such a simple design can be so misunderstood, seeing all the "repairs" and bodges.

Most customers are absolutely amazed how well their stands can work after fettling once they aquire the proper easy-peasy technique.

piet
 
My Jota had a stand like that when I bought it. It was a bastard of a thing to park anywhere. The previous owner sold it because he had arthritis and wanted a more user-friendly bike with a side stand.

I fixed the centre stand and put a good side stand on it. It's so much easier to live with that he'd probably want it back if he rode it now.
 
sfcpiet said:
I find this sort of stuff on about 80% of the bikes that pass through the workshop. Some owners neglect the issue for so long that the mounting holes in the frame are buggered, the bracket and stand itself twisted and bent. Then there's the issue of incorrect length rear shocks and/or fork stanchion length. Really cannot understand why one would put up with it for so long, hernia-inducing heaving required every time you stop! Or is it some sort of "italian character" or "macho" thing that I'm missing??

It also amazes me how such a simple design can be so misunderstood, seeing all the "repairs" and bodges.

Most customers are absolutely amazed how well their stands can work after fettling once they aquire the proper easy-peasy technique.

piet
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Thanks to Alan and his welder ,now a nice roll on roll off white 3C ferry. 2 square bars aligned and welded about 2.5cm x 5mm.
 

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I've, pretty much from the getgo, put mine on the centre stand, while still sitting on the bike. It's a properly engineered piece of kit.
Sadly, they didn't re-engineer it, when they fitted the longer Marzocchi suspension.
:'(
 
The Sock said:
I've, pretty much from the getgo, put mine on the centre stand, while still sitting on the bike. It's a properly engineered piece of kit.
Sadly, they didn't re-engineer it, when they fitted the longer Marzocchi suspension.
:'('(
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Morning H,

Slight difference in size/length stands for Marzocchi forked bikes (there's a comparison picture with measurements on the Paradies website).

I can also put the Mirage on the stand from the saddle but rather out of practice ATM.
 
I always add a bit of grease at service time (rare I know) using an artists brush, and try to "work" a bit of the stuff either side of the bushes, giving the stand a waggle at the same time, rear of bike on paddock stand. Mine have never worn the frame, but a bit on the stand, which has been swapped a few times, with powder coating after a bit of welding and remachining.
CLEM
 
Hi Clem. I lube em too. For stand bushes I use chain lube, not the waxy type that tends to sit on the surface, but the creepy stuff that gets in there and stiffens up.

They are great stands, if I could optimise it I would have it a tad further forward to that it was closer to the bike's CofG and have less a bit less front-down bias. Useful for servicing and messing around.
 
Haggis said:
Hi Clem. I lube em too. For stand bushes I use chain lube, not the waxy type that tends to sit on the surface, but the creepy stuff that gets in there and stiffens up.

They are great stands, if I could optimise it I would have it a tad further forward to that it was closer to the bike's CofG and have less a bit less front-down bias. Useful for servicing and messing around.
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The 180-type frame is actually perfectly balanced on the centre stand. Remove a wheel, the bike will remain standing on the other, without further supports. Not so with the 750 and RGS-types, but both are still a lot easier to deploy as the majority of other marques. Ever tried using the stock Kawasaki Zed centre stand? Or an old '60s Matchless single? Hernia alarm! Hundreds of similar examples...

piet
 
Hi Piet. Yep, agreed that the 180 balance is bloody good. I guess I'm seeking perfection. I haven't tried the monsters you mention, but the best I know is my BMW airhead. Want to test if the front brakes are dragging? Place a feather on the pillion seat and up the front comes.
 
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