Alzero
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- DaNang Vietnam
Can two motorcyclists ride along side each other in OZ? If so, that’s lane sharing and lane splitting is just doing exactly that, only with a car and a bike. Combined with overtaking.
Lane splitting, I am for the practice, and I do it.
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Legs
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- Adelaide Hills
Only on Harleys 
It would be interesting to compare lane widths around the world, There is a Billion Dollar upgrade happening right now on the Warringah Expressway heading north after the Sydney Harbour Bridge incorporating the new 2nd underwater Sydney Harbour Tunnel, BTW that tunnel isn't included in that Billion Dollars, with dozens of new lanes being dug out all over the place and I bet my left ball said lanes WILL be narrower than the originals and there will be zero breakdown lanes. Not so easy to filter in narrower lanes. I have lived here for 50 years and heading home a couple of months back I almost missed my radically changed exit to my suburb. It's a massive job running 24hrs 7 days a week.
Diablo Loco
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- Western Australia
They included a provision to allow side by side bikes in West Oz when they did the split laws a couple of years ago.
One example of new law stupidity. In stop start traffic, you can only split to a max of 30kph. You can be between cars that accelerate from zero to well past that speed, forcing the rider to fall in line between the car beside and the one behind or break the law. The rider is fed into a mobile crusher unit of stop start queuing vehicles.
Many riders are ignoring the new law in that circumstance and the Police are feasting on fines.
They obviously made all those nitpicking rules to get past the NANNYS. And just like all laws everybody fudges, those in charge expecting exact compliance must be fun at parties. To me just like the strict every-K over speed thing, I make a game out of getting away with what I can and mostly succeed. Just the way the world is these days.
Diablo Loco
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- Western Australia
3.5m is standard AuNZ but can (and is!) reduced to 3.3 for a range of reasons that the designers pull out of the air.
Evil residential developers can/do reduce it to 3m for 60kph or lower roads. i.e. 6m between kerb faces.
You can skim a bit more here and there for various reasons for constrained sections of road.
All States have their own supplements to the Austroads guide. West Oz allows for 5.5m carriageways. Great for those slum developments where cars have to wind between each other. They're also much cheaper to construct and we get more lots to sell. Win Win!
pf1
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- Portsmouth UK
When I hire the cheapest small car from an airport I am surprised how wide some of them are but then looking at people in the UK these days it's not hard to see why.
"The problem is not the width of the roads but the width of the f...ing cars".
You're so right on that Paul, moderns cars are stupidly wide and getting bigger all the time. Side by side In a typical UK car park, you can barely get your door open. This new trend is ridiculous. Numpty city folk are shouting 'save the planet' whilst driving cars with the frontal area of a barn door and driving their kids 500 meters to school.
You're so right on that Paul, moderns cars are stupidly wide and getting bigger all the time. Side by side In a typical UK car park, you can barely get your door open. This new trend is ridiculous. Numpty city folk are shouting 'save the planet' whilst driving cars with the frontal area of a barn door and driving their kids 500 meters to school.
rocketonarail
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Aren`t there any riders rights groups in Texas , or any of the other states affected ? AMA or whatever ... ?
If you don`t join or support such as group , such as MAG here in the UK , then this is exactly the sort of thing you can expect , it`s no good complaining about restrictive laws being passed when most riders can`t be bothered to get of their collective asses and do something about it ............. bit late then isn`t it ... ?
If such a law was proposed in the UK , then the likes of MAG , and the BMF would be encouraging their members to lobby their Members of Parliament , demanding urgent meetings with the Department of Transport , and generally kicking up a stink about it ......... The advantage of riders groups having seats on , and attending meetings of Government Committees , hopefully means the riders voice is heard , and this sort of thing is nipped in the bud at birth .......
Of course most riders are completely unaware of all this , and of all the hard work that goes on behind the scenes on their behalf , and just reap the benefits whilst contributing absolutely nothing ..... One often given reason for not getting involved is " I`m not interested in politics " ....... which is a display of a level of stupidity it`s difficult to reason with .....
If you don`t join or support such as group , such as MAG here in the UK , then this is exactly the sort of thing you can expect , it`s no good complaining about restrictive laws being passed when most riders can`t be bothered to get of their collective asses and do something about it ............. bit late then isn`t it ... ?
If such a law was proposed in the UK , then the likes of MAG , and the BMF would be encouraging their members to lobby their Members of Parliament , demanding urgent meetings with the Department of Transport , and generally kicking up a stink about it ......... The advantage of riders groups having seats on , and attending meetings of Government Committees , hopefully means the riders voice is heard , and this sort of thing is nipped in the bud at birth .......
Of course most riders are completely unaware of all this , and of all the hard work that goes on behind the scenes on their behalf , and just reap the benefits whilst contributing absolutely nothing ..... One often given reason for not getting involved is " I`m not interested in politics " ....... which is a display of a level of stupidity it`s difficult to reason with .....
That's the way of our democracies.
There was a referendum in Paris very recently about the town backed rental of electric "trotinette". The referendum voted to get rid of the system with an 8% turn out of voters. Now people are crying.
We rarely have over 50% turn out in general elections here, with difficulty when there's a risk of the populist National Front taking power.
Then everybody complains about the "elite".
Paul
Alzero
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- DaNang Vietnam
I M beginning to believe that voting should be made mandatory. Then again, I was a serial voter, voted in every election we had no matter how small and unimportant. It gave me unlimited complaining rights!
Laverda1000.de
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- Haßberge, Germany
Sorry for the off-topic - this is our rental car parked in Stratford-upon-Avon. I literally had to climb out of the driver's side window to get out.
pf1
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- Portsmouth UK
That's an old rental car if I may be so bold.
Alzero
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- DaNang Vietnam
Rent-a-wreck?
helicopterjim
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I'm a firm believer that if you don't vote you should not be allowed to pay taxes. NO exceptions!
Jim
It is mandatory in Belgium for instance.
Paul
Nonetheless, built when cars were smaller and parking lots were in town.
Buses and trams don't have that sort of problem.
Or two wheelers.
Paul
chrisk
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- Brisbane, Australia
Voting in Oz is mandatory or you get a fine of $50, and they follow up. I was fined for not voting in Council elections. Being lazy I didn't do my research and couldn't bring myself to vote for unknown policies. The cunning bastards here learned from their big mistake of overreaching with stupid laws affecting Motorcycling in the 1970s, that overreach resulted in huge mass protests that caused disruptions and resulted in the removal of said overreach. Now it's a slow steady trickle that doesn't get noticed as they slowly tighten the screws of change. Fuck em all.