Laverda 750 S - Is it a Breganze or a Zane?
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Laverda SF
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Italian Factory Production Breganze 750 S Models were likely between 69/70 but due to Canadian Import and Registration policies the Production Breganze 750 S's where registered here in Canada one year later as 70/71's.
You can confirm this with Wolfgang Heater who's Sweet Heart ride is a Breganze 750 S.
Seems to me not even Google Search can distinguish articles between the Breganze 750 S and the 1/4 Century Newer Zane 750 S Formula.
The models are not even remotaly close to being the same let alone from the same Era.
In regards to vertical twins, it's like comparing a Breganze 750 SFC to a BMW F800S.
In all honesty I would take the Modern BMW 800cc Water cooled, Shaft Driven, Mono Shock, Vertical Twin Cafe Ride:but at last, I've resided to be a 71 Breganze 750 FS Rider.
I got nothing to say against the Zane 750 S Formula because I have no experience with them.: but, PLEASE OP's Posting in this Forum should DIFFERENTIATE.
Because the LAVERDA Label is painted on it's side doesn't mean it's a Breganze - That's why I place the Breganze Label on my 750 SF Ride.
Kinda Mickey Mouse with a Dunstal Fairing but the PIC Spells Out the Difference between a Breganze 750 S and the ZANE 750 S Formula.
You can confirm this with Wolfgang Heater who's Sweet Heart ride is a Breganze 750 S.
Seems to me not even Google Search can distinguish articles between the Breganze 750 S and the 1/4 Century Newer Zane 750 S Formula.
The models are not even remotaly close to being the same let alone from the same Era.
In regards to vertical twins, it's like comparing a Breganze 750 SFC to a BMW F800S.
In all honesty I would take the Modern BMW 800cc Water cooled, Shaft Driven, Mono Shock, Vertical Twin Cafe Ride:but at last, I've resided to be a 71 Breganze 750 FS Rider.
I got nothing to say against the Zane 750 S Formula because I have no experience with them.: but, PLEASE OP's Posting in this Forum should DIFFERENTIATE.
Because the LAVERDA Label is painted on it's side doesn't mean it's a Breganze - That's why I place the Breganze Label on my 750 SF Ride.
Kinda Mickey Mouse with a Dunstal Fairing but the PIC Spells Out the Difference between a Breganze 750 S and the ZANE 750 S Formula.
tyelav13
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Hahaha! Unless you count the Zanes being pushed too!Grant said:
Laverda SF
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Bad attitude from my prospective - Right now my ISP is in mist of a Net Split an can't reply with this Crap.
tyelav13
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Or a sense of humour.Laverda SF said:
Laverdalothar
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talking about reliability? Here you go...
We have a regular yearly meeting in Germany from the German Laverda Forum, where all kind of Laverdas (and even some reliable bikes like Honda, Triumph, BMW) do join. The difference to many other bike meetings is, that riding is in focus instead of just coming together at one place and have a chat. we typically do around 400 kilometers during these meetings in average, we had even meetings doing that at one day with a total of roughly 700Km in 2 days. not bad for a "meeting" I would say.
I can remember a lot of repair stops during the past 10 years, mostly the following:
-broken clutch cables
-missing engine bolts
-snapped carb cables
-dropped carbs
-electric issues
-welded clutch rods/ball-bearing
-oil leaks
-leaking pet-cocks
-lost other parts like headlamps, horns, side-panels, mirrors etc. etc. etc.
-and a lot of other things, most of them were fixable within less than 30 Minutes. Only ever had to trailer 2 bikes back in all the years, one of which was my 1000 SFC which threw off her Keihin carbs due to bad rubber mounts.
all of the above defects where - on Breganze bikes, most of them with less than 30.000km on them...
we regularly have Zane Laverdas with us, too. We only ever had one with a locked rear brake caliper that overheated, else no stops due to a Zane bike as far as I remember. Many of them had between 10.000 and 30.000, one even more than 50.000 on the clocks.
I must admit that the last meeting, I had to go on the Zane, too, as the Jota had a broken bearing in the primary cover and the SFC 1000 is still at OCT for the burned valve, the Motoplast is still not together, so the Zane was the only bike that worked... :-[ I put the charger on it 3 days before the meeting and when I took it out of the garage, it started on the first push on the button.
talking about reliability? Mmmhhh....
We have a regular yearly meeting in Germany from the German Laverda Forum, where all kind of Laverdas (and even some reliable bikes like Honda, Triumph, BMW) do join. The difference to many other bike meetings is, that riding is in focus instead of just coming together at one place and have a chat. we typically do around 400 kilometers during these meetings in average, we had even meetings doing that at one day with a total of roughly 700Km in 2 days. not bad for a "meeting" I would say.
I can remember a lot of repair stops during the past 10 years, mostly the following:
-broken clutch cables
-missing engine bolts
-snapped carb cables
-dropped carbs
-electric issues
-welded clutch rods/ball-bearing
-oil leaks
-leaking pet-cocks
-lost other parts like headlamps, horns, side-panels, mirrors etc. etc. etc.
-and a lot of other things, most of them were fixable within less than 30 Minutes. Only ever had to trailer 2 bikes back in all the years, one of which was my 1000 SFC which threw off her Keihin carbs due to bad rubber mounts.
all of the above defects where - on Breganze bikes, most of them with less than 30.000km on them...
we regularly have Zane Laverdas with us, too. We only ever had one with a locked rear brake caliper that overheated, else no stops due to a Zane bike as far as I remember. Many of them had between 10.000 and 30.000, one even more than 50.000 on the clocks.
I must admit that the last meeting, I had to go on the Zane, too, as the Jota had a broken bearing in the primary cover and the SFC 1000 is still at OCT for the burned valve, the Motoplast is still not together, so the Zane was the only bike that worked... :-[ I put the charger on it 3 days before the meeting and when I took it out of the garage, it started on the first push on the button.
talking about reliability? Mmmhhh....
G
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90% of Zane bikes are still on the road.
The rest made it home. :-*
The rest made it home. :-*
Cosi
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Are you serious Ron,
can one of you moderaters rename this the " who really gives a fuck" thread
can one of you moderaters rename this the " who really gives a fuck" thread
laverdakeith
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sfc1000uk said:I've got to admit I do like the Zanes both as bikes to look at and to ride
If I had more money than sense I'd be sorely tempted to buy a non-runner 750S and try to get Keith to make it a 270 motor
Won't have them in the workshop, never want to be the last man to touch on of them.
Keith
laverdakeith said:
Funnily enough, I was half expecting that to be the reaction, hence the "try"
Mind you, I do know where there's a dismembered Zane 750 motor with a gubbed crank (now there's a surprise...) and it would be interesting to see what one would be like as a twisted twin. Shame neither the owner or I have the spare cash to make it happen.
Wonder, would you need to change the balance shaft as well as the crank, ignition/injection & cams?
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laverdakeith said:
thought you were running a business, Keith? Wouldn't the best business be one that brings you a lot of money and that regularly?
especially as all of them are out of warranty... 
It is funny to see that obviously there is a common sense of refusing to work on these bikes from the traditional Laverda dealers. OCT though does it and Volker on this forum, too, and they still earn money with it and have happy customers like me...
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Laverdalothar said:thought you were running a business, Keith? Wouldn't the best business be one that brings you a lot of money and that regularly?
It is funny to see that obviously there is a common sense of refusing to work on these bikes from the traditional Laverda dealers. OCT though does it and Volker on this forum, too, and they still earn money with it and have happy customers like me...
I was sat in the tattooists chair many years ago having some work done and while chit chatting away I asked him quite innocently if it was possible to tattoo black people. Yes, he said, but it hurts them a lot more. Why is that? Says I. Oh no reason other than the fact I really don't fucking like them...
Keith
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Uh-uh.
The first of the breed were built in Nove under the I.mo.la banner, just down the road from Breganze on the way to Bassano del Grappa! Only the air/oil cooled 650 and 668 though. Didn't stay there for long before moving on to Zane.
There was however, a bit of development done in Breganze using Nico Bakker frames, on which the I.mo.la bikes are based. Remember seeing an alloy framed bike in the R&D room of the Breganze works, the windows were all draped closed with newspaper, but the door was wide open! I was quickly ushered on when I stopped for a stare...
The first pre-production 650 in Germany, which I had the "pleasure" to evaluate, came out of the Nove factory.
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Geez! I was referring to the Net Split and can't respond fast enough.
From my experience nothing corners like a Breganze 750 S or SF/SFC as long as you, the rider, have the Ball's to do it.
The Breganze 750 S or SF/SFC are not the fastest on the straight but we Race to WIN.
Laverdalothar
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Laverda SF said:
You obviously haven't ridden anything younger than 1980... Or do you mean: "Nothing corners like a Breganze 750 S, even though many corner better/faster"? Or maybe "Nothing of the same production time...."?
I have ridden both 750 S, the old and the new one and believe it or not, with the same rider and some training on both machines, you will be WAY faster with a Zane - and way less exhausted... It would be a shame if not, right?
The 750 Breganze series are great bikes - for their time. comparing them with something modern is useless, as its like comparing a Ferrari Daytona built in 1950/1960 time with a modern Ferrari. The modern Ferrari will win any performance challange - but the Daytona will be the head-turner...
Never had more people looking at me with a bright smile when riding through a town than with the 750 SF (0) I restored. But suspension, brakes and engine performance where just sh..t. Sold it after I almost crashed it 3 times in less than 1.000Km after the rebuild.
Full respect to those who are still riding fast with them and survive. I really mean that, no joking here.
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During these days a student from the Delft Universtity of Industrial Design in Holland seem to have worked as an intern in order to design a an alloy box frame.
Jeroen