Laverda 75th anniversary in Breganze - anyone from the UK thinking about riding down?

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Just wondered if anyone from the UK was thinking about riding down to Breganze for the 75th anniversary? I'm toying with the idea!

Do it over 3 days or so, not too rushed, stay at B&Bs on the way down, get to Breganze on Friday July 5th. Then stay for the weekend's festivities and head back on Monday 8th.
 
if I go (which I am undecided about, having been about 35 times already) it will probably be by car with TOG on trailer, (much cheaper, by a country mile) but I did manage Denmark in 2022 abourd her throbbing saddle and might do the same for Breganze 2024, but as I say I am struggling to make up my mind, not helped by recovering from 4 months of serious bad health and the fact that PL and the V6 will be in UK in September
 
Yes I’m going to wobble down, been a while since been to Breganze, a quick stop to weld an exhaust collector some 15 years ago on way back from Croatia and before that in 1989 at start of our big trip so good excuse to visit again
 
if I go (which I am undecided about, having been about 35 times already) it will probably be by car with TOG on trailer, (much cheaper, by a country mile) but I did manage Denmark in 2022 abourd her throbbing saddle and might do the same for Breganze 2024, but as I say I am struggling to make up my mind, not helped by recovering from 4 months of serious bad health and the fact that PL and the V6 will be in UK in September

If you do decide to ride let me know, either way if you are there it would be great to meet up!
 
I'm going.
Aiming to use Eurotunnel, interested to hear other's experience of Le Shuttle?
I’ve found it good. The only bad thing for me is getting there from the Westcountry. Each time I’ve used it I’ve been put onto the next running train whether early or later than the booked one ( I’ve been late at least once) inside isn’t brilliant but there are toilets and it’s only about 40 minutes.
 
I plan to take a few days leisurely riding my GTL UK to and from Breganze - no motorways or tolls except if absolutely necessary - and with a possible visit to friends a little further south in Italy either before or after the big weekend so haven't set the days yet.
Did it largely non-stop a few times in the '70s on SF2 and SFC, body was much younger then, I think 3 days would be more sensible now.

Le Shuttle sounds attractive, is the bike well secured and can gear be safely left with it?
 
Long possibly tedious reply to the questions of Le Shuttle service.

I’ve been using Le Shuttle whilst on my bike a lot in the past few years.
Previously a ferry user and fan, I was so disappointed by the appalling service when using the ferry during the pandemic and then as a sea farer the appalling behaviour of P&O and the British government, towards its workforce, I’m now a Le Shuttle user.
When, during last summer, I was forced to use the ferry, the lack of knowledgeable staff and the poor service was truly troubling. You do not want to be on a vessel at sea if there is an issue with such a crew.

Le Shuttle, pre booking from the UK is essential as you are not able to buy a ticket at the terminal, you need to go online. On the French side it is possible to purchase a ticket without going online, there is a ticket office at the terminal.
If you do not buy a Flexi ticket, the facilities are the same as at any service station on most British motorway service stations. Security for your bike and kit is as safe as any service station.

Recently, British customs or is it security? Appear to be targeting motorcyclist for security checks. Drugs and explosives tests and questions of ownership of motorcycle. The French never ask me anything, why a Brit spends so much time on the European mainland? I don’t volunteer information.
The British counterparts are paranoid and want to know all.
If you buy a Flexi ticket, you have access to a specific café/toilet facility which by virtue of its exclusivity may give a little extra security whilst you nip in for a pre crossing pee or ‘free’ coffee, sandwich, cake etc. I put the apostrophes to ‘free’ as the extra cost, especially in the summer, for a Flexi ticket is significant. I’m still in two minds as to its true value to motorcyclists. Saves waiting outside in the rain and the toilets are clean.
As for your bike onboard the train. You will be held until last, if the weather is foul, there is nowhere to shelter once you have left either terminal and both sides are exposed. Especially it seems, the Calais side, but maybe that’s just my experience.

Once onboard, your bike is as secure as your bike can be when parked on a moving platform, with its front wheel jammed up against small curb and is not tied down. Especially, if your bike is on the centre stand be aware that at the start and end of the journey there is the possibility of jolts rocking your bike, a friend’s bike fell over and broke a small but expensive clock support, it was a tall modern Triumph adventure bike. Luckily it did not fall onto another’s bike. At start and finish, I am with my bike, just in case, to protect my bike from falling and from any bike close to mine.
There are no facilities on the train beyond a few toilets that always seem to be out or order or in a different carriage with the need to get through heavy doors that confound the elderly. Dumb.

I have on numerous occasions been shoved in the back with the electric cars. Given Le Shuttle’s safety concerns, this appears to be counterintuitive.
Nowhere to sit but the floor near you bike, an opportunity to chat with other bikers, eat a sandwich etc.
My half penny worth.
Photo is of my BMW 'in isolation' on a Le Shuttle crossing during the pandemic. I thought their idea of isolation was a little extreme but who wants to be near people and cars anyway? And Yes, that is how your bike will be secured.
 

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Long possibly tedious reply to the questions of Le Shuttle service.
Many thanks, Charley, that pretty much covers the questions I had.

It'll be my first foray on Le Shuttle and, despite the 250% premium on the Flexi ticket, it seems like it's the only sensible option.
Planning to meet a specific time of journey, in either direction, is not a runner as far as I'm concerned.
Memories of ferry trips, back in the 20th Century, don't inspire me to wish to repeat that experience.
Hamish
 
Many thanks, Charley, that pretty much covers the questions I had.

It'll be my first foray on Le Shuttle and, despite the 250% premium on the Flexi ticket, it seems like it's the only sensible option.
Planning to meet a specific time of journey, in either direction, is not a runner as far as I'm concerned.
Memories of ferry trips, back in the 20th Century, don't inspire me to wish to repeat that experience.
Hamish
Hamish it’s 35 mins so no sweat really - there are loos but try and go in the terminal - I am coming back that way eventually with Mary on a Flexi
 
just turn up early, well thats what i do. plan to have a break before boarding its a chance to have a rest from driving/riding considering the mileage to cover once leaving the Shuttle in UK.
 
Many thanks, Charley, that pretty much covers the questions I had.

It'll be my first foray on Le Shuttle and, despite the 250% premium on the Flexi ticket, it seems like it's the only sensible option.
Planning to meet a specific time of journey, in either direction, is not a runner as far as I'm concerned.
Memories of ferry trips, back in the 20th Century, don't inspire me to wish to repeat that experience.
Hamish

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"interested to hear other's experience of Le Shuttle?" I have used all crossing methods both on bikes, in cars, in vans with without trialers and LWB Merc sprinters plus seven and half tonners on the commercial route (which is very different and not avaialble to private customers so not being mentioned here).My biggest concern is the bikes are parked with the front wheel against the LEFT SIDE kerb as the picture above, and is best on the side stand if you have one, starting from rest the train is always under control and gathers speed exetremely slowly, the other end the deceleration is also very slow, but my worry (and I coressponded with Eurotunel to try and get this changed) is that if there is any kind of harsh or emergency braking applied due to an "incident" then the bikes are not best placed, to park on the other kerb with with the propstand leading would be much safer, there is no where to sit, so you stand, or rest on the sides, and stay with the bike, which is also not good if there is an incident, (personel not being contained in any way) but we (1%er motorcyclists types) have only got ourselves to blame, because in the past (and it is still there but dormant) the last carriage was for bike parking, its the one with the doors opening for cars, and cross hatched on the floor, they had tie rings, straps etc, there was a staircase which took you upstairs to where there were 30 or so seats, and a hot/cold drinks machine (dont tell the cars!) all this was regularly getting vandalised so they closed it off and stopped using it, now it is a crew room and storage.

The direct route from Calais to Breganze would logically take you through France but if using motorways (fairly essential if you want only 1 or 2 overnight stops) the toll costs are horrendous, my Tom is going ice racing next month and will do 600 miles through France from Calais, to the French venue, there is no real option to this and the fuel cost for his Transit van (no trailer) will be about 300GBP the tolls will be about 350GBP! my advice no matter what form of road transport you have is to sail to Dunkirk, which neatly avoids using P&O which so far I have managed to do since their illegal sacking of all employees, and travel via Belgium and Germany, its not much further, I cant recall, but 70 miles is in my head, there are no tolls in either country, and the motorways are better and so are the service stations, and the bonus is that quite a few of the German roads are not restricted speed wise, but woe betide you if an accudent happens at above the posted RECOMENDED upper speed limit, I think they still do hanging, drawing and quatering!

CLEM
 
Never used a flexi ticket yet. Way more expensive! I've found the service to be very good. Certainly wouldn't leave my bike for a 40 min crossing ... or put it on the centrestand! Clem has a good point about angling bikes t'other way, but hey ho.

Timing isn't onerous and if you are early you may get the offer of an earlier train... bikes don't take up much space 😁
If you are late then they'll stick you on the next available crossing - again being on a bike is a benefit in this respect. If you do need to make a major change, then cancellation and rebooking is possible if you opt for a fully refundable ticket.
This from eurotunnel FAQ.

What happens if I arrive early or late?​


If you check-in within 2 hours either side of your reserved time, within the validity of your ticket you may be offered a space on the next departure with availability without charge.
If you check-in more than 2 hours but no more than 24 hours before or after your reserved time, your booking may be exchanged, subject to availability and payment of the difference between the price you paid and the price applicable to the departure for which your booking is exchanged.
If you arrive more than 24 hours after your booked departure time, your booking will be invalid and cannot be exchanged.
 
I did the shuttle in 2019. The trip under water was fine, once I started breathing again.

Once off the train I only made it as far as Somme before the cops stopped me, because a nice right hander in to service station grabbed my right hands attention.

So they did a u turn and had a little chat to me.

They were ok, and told me my bike was too far loud and too large for France (1200cc max, at least I think that’s what they said) and finished off with “Be careful, we want to see you back again”
 
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