Lawton Bushman sidestand braket

I think it's the fault of the sidestand you chose.
I have had several sidestand kits on Ceriani as well as Marzocchi shod bikes and no issues with danger of leaning over too far.
If it was me I would change the sidestand rather than add more bracketry.
I use Kawa 600 stands. They are black as standard and I think they are not solid metal.
 
I used a ZZR1200 stand and it was perfect- for a Ceriani bike that had 25mm lopped off the forks.  Grant is right- easier and more elegant to get a stand off a different Kawa, they ain't all the same length.
 
I've used both the ZZR1200 and 600 stands. They're near enough to the same length. The 600 stand is tubular and the 1200 is solid. If I was going to choose one to cut and weld, I'd choose the solid one. I find it easier to weld a solid bar than a tube. You could blend the shape of the welded in piece to match the rest of the leg so the extension won't be visible when it's painted.

The length of either Kawasaki stand is perfect for my bike with Marzocchi forks. It's an excellent modification which makes the bike much more user-friendly.
 
cape said:
I got the bracket from Joe (many thanks) and it is now mounted on my Jota. Nicely done and an easy fit event though it didn't have the cutout for left hand gear change. I just made the cutout myself.

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I had another issue though. I?m using a Kawasaki zzr 1200 side stand and the bike tilts too much (risk of falling down). This may be due to longer Marzocchi suspension and thus a greater ground clearance on my bike. So I reckon the mod is designed for Cerianis...

The solution to fix the problem will be pretty straightforward. I will add a second plate which drops the side stand down about 3cm. That should do it. Besides, after that there shouldn't be any problem with center stand.

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Hi Sami,

Great that you have received and that you did a cut out yourself for the left side gear change. Thank you for posting your picture and confirming that the installation was ok.

(I am selling this batch on the basis that they are for right side gear change with Jota rear sets ; )  )

As for the secondary drop down bracket ..Hmmm I'm not keen on that. You most likely just require a longer stand than you have .

I have a few stands here ..let me know the length of your stand from the centre of the pivot bolt to the tip and I will see if I have a longer stand here.

I have a ZZ6R on my Jota and it is absolutely perfect for the job and my bike has Marzocchi forks :)

cheers

joe
 
Grant said:
I think it's the fault of the sidestand you chose.
I have had several sidestand kits on Ceriani as well as Marzocchi shod bikes and no issues with danger of leaning over too far.
If it was me I would change the sidestand rather than add more bracketry.
I use Kawa 600 stands. They are black as standard and I think they are not solid metal.
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Me 2 Grant :)
 
Thanks for your comments everybody. I know the reason for my problem is not the modification itself, but the ground clearance of my bike. I?ll have to measure it for reference. As said, I have Marzocchis + I have adjusted the Konis at rear...

Anyway, I?m going to stick with my plan and at least give the second plate a chance. I think it?s not going to look too awful. If it doesn't work, then I?ll have to find a longer side stand. The one I have now, is going to stay as it is. I do not want to wreck it.
 
Sami,

I can help you if you like :)

Do the measurement of your stand . I have already measured some of the side stands I have here and there are longer and shorter versions .

I can post u a longer one and it will be a much nicer solution. Then you can sell your short one yourself :)

joe
 
Cape,  the ride height of POP is quite a bit higher than standard and it manages just fine with the Kawa 600 sidestand.

 
For a reference: The length of my zzr 1200 side stand from the pivot bolt to the tip of the foot is 26cm. The distance from foot rest bolt to the ground 35,5cm. Would anybody care to measure the distance from foot rest bolt to the ground on a bike where the mod is perfect?

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Joe, please measure the side stand length of the "longer one"...
 
The sidestand on POP is 26cm long and the height to the centre of the same bolt as you measure is 35cm.
I don't think 0.5cm will make that much difference to lean angle and I find the lean angle acceptable.

Thinking about it maybe it's the angle of your sidestand vs it's pivot bracket. If yours is angled out more it would make the bike lean further over.



 
Grant, that looks solid. Just wait for awhile and I'll post a photo of my bike tilting too much. I just can't figure out why, if we have the same dimensions.
 
Grant said:
Thinking about it maybe it's the angle of your sidestand vs it's pivot bracket. If yours is angled out more it would make the bike lean further over.
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I think THIS may be your problem Cape.
 
Right, I had trouble in taking a shot that would tell the truth about the ?over tilt?, but here it is. The bike is tilting much more than it did with Laverda side stand anyway.

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Grant said:
Thinking about it maybe it's the angle of your sidestand vs it's pivot bracket. If yours is angled out more it would make the bike lean further over.
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I would imagine that the angle is pretty standard on Kawasaki side stands, but you never know.
 
Seen at least four different types of bracket for the stand and two different length stands so difficult to give a decisive answer other than do what I do and make what you got fit what you got, quite often have to weld an inch into the stands on Marzo bikes, stands are forged steel so weld ok. If you end up doing this weld the piece in at the bottom not the top as there is less stress on the weld, also gives the opportunity to have the foot of the stand flat on the floor, not entirely necessary but its the sort of thing that bothers me.  ;)


    Keith.
 
cape said:
Right, I had trouble in taking a shot that would tell the truth about the ?over tilt?, but here it is. The bike is tilting much more than it did with Laverda side stand anyway.

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I can see the problem with the lean angle Sami. :'(

The "longer" stands I have here are measuring as yours ( as far as I can tell ).

Your stand does look in very good shape however, wear in the pivot bolt or ears of the stand will also have an influence on the lean as will the angle in the kawasaki plate. Looking at the variety of stands I have the angles look same but then, I haven't got all of Kawasakis stands on my coffee table ; )

I have the same stand as Grant's bike on my bike and these are also the stands I have here.

Nothing is easy !

joe

 
cape said:
In the end, more to do equals greater fun. Right?  :D
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That's the spirit Sami  :)

Together we can conquer the world  ;)

measure also your height centre of wheel spindles from the ground ( Just to eliminate it ) .

If your axles are same height as mine then I would suggest you try one of the stands I have ( or pick one up in Finland to save post )...

joe
 
cape said:
Right, I had trouble in taking a shot that would tell the truth about the ?over tilt?, but here it is. The bike is tilting much more than it did with Laverda side stand anyway.

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Hi Cape

I've Marzocchi front and rear

My side stand come from ZX6R 2002. 27 cm from foot rest bolt to the ground. Perfect for me

Xavier
 

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