Lawton Bushman sidestand braket
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"It seems nobody else has experienced the problem with the mod like I did"
So why should Joe modify the bracket?
I still think the problem is the angle of your sidestand pivot bracket.
Maybe it is bent or worn or designed at a different angle to the Kawa 600 sidestands.
So why should Joe modify the bracket?
I still think the problem is the angle of your sidestand pivot bracket.
Maybe it is bent or worn or designed at a different angle to the Kawa 600 sidestands.
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Sami ..Behave yourself 
I am going to measure my Jota from floor to wheel spindle centres . I will also measure from floor to centre of the side stand pivot bolt with the bike in an upright position ie vertical and not leaning. Then you could do the same and we'll have something to go from.
Then we should know if there is a difference in the lean angle of the stand fitted to your bike or a difference on how high your bike is...
The problem with different hole positions is a weakening at the fulcrum more material more machining. And I don't believe there is a problem with the original; design as regards the tilt angle acheived with a good stand of the correct length.
I'll do that this morning.
I wish it would stop raining though !
joe
I am going to measure my Jota from floor to wheel spindle centres . I will also measure from floor to centre of the side stand pivot bolt with the bike in an upright position ie vertical and not leaning. Then you could do the same and we'll have something to go from.
Then we should know if there is a difference in the lean angle of the stand fitted to your bike or a difference on how high your bike is...
The problem with different hole positions is a weakening at the fulcrum more material more machining. And I don't believe there is a problem with the original; design as regards the tilt angle acheived with a good stand of the correct length.
I'll do that this morning.
I wish it would stop raining though !
joe
Mine was perfect using a 55 aspect rear tyre.Now with the normal 80 aspect it leans a bit more than the previously perfect.My suspension is very far from std though.BTW Jim had a list of Kawasaki models with the sidestand lengths on his site,sure about models,not sure about lengths though.
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Vince said:
Good point on the tyres Vince. That is why I am interested in how high Sami's bike is sitting at whel spindle centres and side stand pivot bolt centre with the bike upright.
joe
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Grant said:The sidestand on POP is 26cm long and the height to the centre of the same bolt as you measure is 35cm.
I don't think 0.5cm will make that much difference to lean angle and I find the lean angle acceptable.
Thinking about it maybe it's the angle of your sidestand vs it's pivot bracket. If yours is angled out more it would make the bike lean further over.
This bike is beautifiul..Really like the mods and the overall appearance..Is there anything on the forum about the building of this baby ?
joe
Grant said:
Like I said, just in case. The zzr 1200 side stand was mentioned in some post being a perfect choice. And there's a picture somewhere showing it in use. The one I have is in perfect condition, there's no extra play and the dimensions are the same as in the one you are using. As said, it's not the mod nor the side stand, it's my bike...
jotajoe said:Sami ..Behave yourself
I am going to measure my Jota from floor to wheel spindle centres . I will also measure from floor to centre of the side stand pivot bolt with the bike in an upright position ie vertical and not leaning. Then you could do the same and we'll have something to go from.
Then we should know if there is a difference in the lean angle of the stand fitted to your bike or a difference on how high your bike is...
The problem with different hole positions is a weakening at the fulcrum more material more machining. And I don't believe there is a problem with the original; design as regards the tilt angle acheived with a good stand of the correct length.
I'll do that this morning.
I wish it would stop raining though !
joe
Joe, I will do the measuring asap...
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Thank you Sami,
There is definitely an issue here and it will be good to drill down and identify it and then solve it
One thing I hate is to see a bike leaning at a crazy angle. Just tell me one thing also is there much lateral movment in the stand if you jiggle it left to right . I had play in my BMW Surefoot side stand where it bolted to the frame and the bike lurched crazily.
I gave Cris a scary moment over this and it was all down to nipping up the engine mounting bolt nut which is where the Surefoot stand is attached ...It was only loose by approx 1mm and you had to wrench it hard to "pull " it to see the gap..
joe
There is definitely an issue here and it will be good to drill down and identify it and then solve it
One thing I hate is to see a bike leaning at a crazy angle. Just tell me one thing also is there much lateral movment in the stand if you jiggle it left to right . I had play in my BMW Surefoot side stand where it bolted to the frame and the bike lurched crazily.
I gave Cris a scary moment over this and it was all down to nipping up the engine mounting bolt nut which is where the Surefoot stand is attached ...It was only loose by approx 1mm and you had to wrench it hard to "pull " it to see the gap..
joe
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I have my ZZR 1100 stand here in front of me, it is the complete SOLID CAST unit .... The length is 280 mm from top to bottom and measures 265mm from the centre of the pivot bolt.... It is the perfect stand and I don't beleive it can be improved on !!!
Hope this helps
All the best.
TIMMY
Hope this helps
All the best.
TIMMY
Ok, I did the measuring. Bike standing vertically without center stand.
- from center of the wheel spindle to the ground: front 31,5cm, rear 32,5cm
- from center of the foot rest bolt to the ground 35cm
- from center of the side stand pivot bolt to the ground 25,5cm
- from tip of the side stand foot to the ground 7-7,5cm
- angle of the side stand (spring) 59?
- from center of the wheel spindle to the ground: front 31,5cm, rear 32,5cm
- from center of the foot rest bolt to the ground 35cm
- from center of the side stand pivot bolt to the ground 25,5cm
- from tip of the side stand foot to the ground 7-7,5cm
- angle of the side stand (spring) 59?
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Grant
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jotajoe said:
Joe, I did various progress reports on the build of this bike over several years.
In the previous forum I even did a build log on the gallery but that got lost when we jumped ship to Laverdaforum I think. Maybe PLC or Rob could say if it's still accessible or not.
I could start a new log here as I have a bazillion photos of the various stages over the 8 years (to date) since I started the project.
Or you could look at my website (still under construction) for a version of it.
http://www.taleka.com/rois/clublaverda/
Click on "Restorations" and then "Non Standard Project".
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cape said:
Great ..Thank you Sami.. Now I am heading to my garage with a tape measure...back shortly
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Grant said:
Grant , whatever you post / log on the building of this bike I would read it avidly...I'll do some research also..Very, very nicely done.
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cape said:
Sami, My measurement from the centre of the footrest mounting bolt to the ground is exactly the same as yours. As the bracket is fixed to this then the same type of stand that I have on my bike should work perfectly fine on your bike.
On the wheel dimensions my bike is a few mm higher than yours at the back and a few mm lower at the front. This is understandable due to differences in springs , tyres, and the set of the stanchions in the Tee.
If you would like to try a stand I am happy to post you one..If it works keep it ..If not post it back....
Joe
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cape said:
Ok Sami..
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Hi Sami ,
Angle of the stand extended 40 degrees
Distance from stand foot to ground 48 mm ( with the bike vertical )
and Joe got a good soaking ha ha :-*
Angle of the stand extended 40 degrees
Distance from stand foot to ground 48 mm ( with the bike vertical )
and Joe got a good soaking ha ha :-*
Thanks Joe,
Now we are getting somewhere. Your 40? is obviously from vertical to side stand leg. I measured from horizontal, so there?s actually only 9? difference. And I did the measuring from the spring, the leg itself is slightly different, so it pretty much equals yours. The interesting dimension is from stand foot to ground. There the difference is about 2,5 cm and that is exactly what I am missing. Strange though, since all the other dimensions seem to be the same. Even the side stand!
Now we are getting somewhere. Your 40? is obviously from vertical to side stand leg. I measured from horizontal, so there?s actually only 9? difference. And I did the measuring from the spring, the leg itself is slightly different, so it pretty much equals yours. The interesting dimension is from stand foot to ground. There the difference is about 2,5 cm and that is exactly what I am missing. Strange though, since all the other dimensions seem to be the same. Even the side stand!
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Yes I used a big protractor and measures from a vertical datum.
Bear in mind that 9 degrees will mean that the foot of your stand is approx 40 mm further out from the centre line of your bike than mine,, Using the 1 in 60 rule ( ie 1 degree at the circumference will subtend an arc 1/60th of the radius ) . So if your stand is the radius then an angular difference of 9deg will compute to (stand length) 270 /60 X 9 = approx 40 mm.
That is quite a step out.
joe
Bear in mind that 9 degrees will mean that the foot of your stand is approx 40 mm further out from the centre line of your bike than mine,, Using the 1 in 60 rule ( ie 1 degree at the circumference will subtend an arc 1/60th of the radius ) . So if your stand is the radius then an angular difference of 9deg will compute to (stand length) 270 /60 X 9 = approx 40 mm.
That is quite a step out.
joe