Lawton Bushman sidestand braket

[cape]

Joe, it?s the opposite. My side stand is closer vertical than yours, so it stands closer to the bike...

 

[jotajoe]

ha ha back to the drawing board  :-[

40mm closer to the centre line then...So the higher the foot is from the floor and the closer the stand is to the centre line of the bike the more likely it would be to tip right over...

My head hurts Sami !

joe

ps Here is a stand I have found which is longer than the standard one I have on my bike.

 

[Simonr501]

I spent many happy hours making my sidestand!
There are so many compound angles going on it makes the job tricky at best.

Stick with it lads!

 

[jotajoe]

Thank you Simon,

As far as I can glean from studying the history, The ZX6R Kawasaki side stand works a treat. This is the stand I have on my bike.1980 Laverda Jota

Sami doesn't have a ZX6R stand on his bike and likes the stand ( ZZR 1200 ) he has although he needs to lengthen in a tad.

So, being careful not to throw the bambino out with the bath water  , If the Modification Plate  is fitted along with a ZX6R side stand then the lean angle will be fine.

I am interested however if there are exceptions to this guys. If so can you let me know.

Today I take a standard footrest to Henry for looking at adapting the plate for this option and incorporating a relief for the leftside gear change bikes. Big thank you to VERAVISTA for his kindness in posting a standard footrest to me super fast for tooling work. It is a great help 

Joe

 

[jotajoe]

LEFT SIDE GEAR CHANGE Bikes

If one of you guys has a plan view of the Jim Bush Plate with the relief for the left side cut out it would help me to get it right in one hit.

It could be a photo or a drawing. 3d drawings won't help me in this.

I can scale it up or down so size not a problem.

cheers,

joe

 

[Reggie3cl]

This?

ZZR1200 stand, shortened Cerianis

 

[Grant]

The angle the 1200 sidestand kicks out looks too wide to me.
The 600 has a smaller angle and works well with standard Ceriani or Marzocchi fork/shock settings.

Got my 3 sidestand kits today Joe, muchas gracias!

 

[jotajoe]

The angle the 1200 sidestand kicks out looks too wide to me.
The 600 has a smaller angle and works well with standard Ceriani or Marzocchi fork/shock settings.

Got my 3 sidestand kits today Joe, muchas gracias!

Thank you Grant...and appreciate the info on the side stand " angle of dangle"

I have a fair few 600 stands as I'd like to send them out with the kit to save guys the hassle and worry of suitability..

cheers

joe

 

[jotajoe]

This?

ZZR1200 stand, shortened Cerianis

Thank you Reggie..Good drwg

Did you actually have yours made using that exact dwg ?

I am interested in the top relief in thickness. Did you have that done as Jim Bush didn't ..well  not on mine any road

ta

joe

 

[Reggie3cl]

Yeah, I had mine made exactly as per the drawing- I used 8mm stainless- or was it alloy, I seem to remember one version being made out of a bit of scrap from an Airbus -  (hence the bit at the top mount being relieved to tuck it in more) and had mine machined, Jim B simplified it and compromised at 6mm thickness stainless without the relieved bit as he had his made by water jet cutting.

TBH I can't remember which version is on the bike in the picture.  The first I made out of 10mm alloy plate by hand, the one on the bike is either the second which was definitely machined as per the drawing, but I may have also had one of Jim's.  It's all so long ago, and my memory is fading fast...

This looks like the one with the relief around the top mounting bolt

In terms of producing them quickly and at a sensible cost, the plain version is best for sure, but mine is tucked in an extra 2mm.  Which may have helped clearance for the gear lever.

 

[jotajoe]

Thank you Reggie...Yes your pic is of one with the relief. I edited the shot and that is clear when brightened up a bit

So, The relevant question to those owners with left side gear change and a standard Jim Bush Bracket ( at 6mm thick ) is, how much clearance is there between the gear lever and the bracket bolt heads.

It would help me immensely if I could be told which of the bolt heads it passes closest to so that I know where the potential conflict is.

I haven't got a bike with left side changer so all help appreciated

cheers

joe

 

[cape]

Why the extra spacer on gear change spindle? Wouldn't it been easier just to reverse the link lever.

 

[Reggie3cl]

It had to have the spacer- the lever can't go up the shaft any further and if the spacer was on the other end of the shaft and the Laverdabodge* (TM) bent lever reversed the short connection between the levers on the right hand side wouldn't work.

*I think those levers are off another Laverda with the end sawn off and bent to fit.  That said, the bike had a lovely shift action.

 

[Melle]

http://www.soupysperformance.com/catalog/item/4408900/7420224.htm

Not cheap, but a nice solution?

Regards, Melle

 

[Grant]

One more thing to go wrong, and your P&J ends up in a heap on the ground.

 

[Dellortoman]

Why the extra spacer on gear change spindle? Wouldn't it been easier just to reverse the link lever.

You can't just reverse the link lever because it will then foul the foot pedal.

what I did was partially straighten out the link arm to make it clear the heads of the bracket mounting bolts. Straighting the lever obviously makes it longer, so I cut about half an inch off the end off and re-drilled the connecting bolt hole to restore the foot lever travel to something sensible. That brought the head of the connecting bolt in the link arm just above the top of the sidestand base, so the whole thing tucks in quite neatly.

I used heat to straighten mine. You might be able to do it cold, but you have better control and are less likely to crack it if you get it red-hot.

Cam

 

[Xav]

On Laverdamania, we have perhaps found better sidestands

Better than all sorts of the Kawasaki items ...

 

[Vince]

There are ones that look like the talon of an Eagle on Ebay,really tasteful

 

[cape]

You can't just reverse the link lever because it will then foul the foot pedal.

I had no issue with reversed link. The mounting bolt is close to foot pedal, but they do not collide. There is about 5 mm clearance and it is sufficient.

 

[jotajoe]

Thank you Sami