Lawton Bushman sidestand braket
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jotajoe
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Thank u . MIssed that ..cheers
joe
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Final report regarding my setup, problem fixed. I did what I planned from the beginning and added a second plate which drops the side stand 23 mm. Even though it was considered to be a bad idea, everything fits perfectly and the side stand is solid. It doesn't look that bad either. Besides, I didn't want to extend the side stand or purchase a longer tubular one, I really like the appearance of the solid/silver zzr 1200 model and it is in perfect condition. The tilt angle of the bike is now just the way it should be. For extra security, I may end up welding the plates together eventually, but for now they are joined with bolts. On the other hand, welding may not be necessary. The bolts are locked by the plate edges, so they hardly come loose.
There are also other advantages with the solution. Now the side stand is even easier to operate, since it is a bit more exposed. Second notable thing considers the center stand. With just the original plate, the center stand and the side stand collide. Especially if there?s a security switch attached. I seem to recall that many of you have actually removed the center stand. With the second plate, all I had to do was slightly bent the center stand lever, so it wouldn't hit the bracket/safety switch. Now both of the stands are operative and the only downside is that the side stand must be extended if I want to use the center stand. But that is a minor issue.
The setup is for sure more complicated than the Laverda side stand, but I think it?s well worth the effort. It is just much more user-friendly. I?m very pleased with the outcome.
Bracket before assembly, all the parts are stainless.
Side stand and plates mounted...
Same from the behind.
The setup mounted on my bike.
Side stand extended.
Center stand lever closeup.
Tilt angle, perfect!
That?s it. What next?
There are also other advantages with the solution. Now the side stand is even easier to operate, since it is a bit more exposed. Second notable thing considers the center stand. With just the original plate, the center stand and the side stand collide. Especially if there?s a security switch attached. I seem to recall that many of you have actually removed the center stand. With the second plate, all I had to do was slightly bent the center stand lever, so it wouldn't hit the bracket/safety switch. Now both of the stands are operative and the only downside is that the side stand must be extended if I want to use the center stand. But that is a minor issue.
The setup is for sure more complicated than the Laverda side stand, but I think it?s well worth the effort. It is just much more user-friendly. I?m very pleased with the outcome.
Bracket before assembly, all the parts are stainless.
Side stand and plates mounted...
Same from the behind.
The setup mounted on my bike.
Side stand extended.
Center stand lever closeup.
Tilt angle, perfect!
That?s it. What next?
jotajoe
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Well done Sami..Simple solution...Did you use a bit of thread lock on your plate bolts ?
joe
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Grant
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Have you gone round any left hand corners yet?
It looks very low and protrudes out quite far.
I still think the problem is the angle of the sidestand pivot.
It looks very low and protrudes out quite far.
I still think the problem is the angle of the sidestand pivot.
Grant said:
C?mon Grant, always something. No, I haven?t done any left hand cornering yet. It?s snowing in Finland. Besides, I don?t know if I?m that good a rider.
But a good point though. It?s easy to fix, just have to slightly file the brace and the foot turns closer to center/upward.
Point where the side stand would hit the ground, about 50 degree.
jotajoe
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In my experience the mainstand grounds well before anything else. It is a consideration though Sami ...
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Grant
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Yep, that sidestand makes the bike lean over way too much! :-* 
And that's without the suspension compressed.
And that's without the suspension compressed.
Dellortoman
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I took a lead from the Lawton-Bushman idea today and did something similar for my Ducati.
While it's not a difficult bike to put on the centre stand (since I lowered it by 20mm) it's always bugged me that Ducati didn't see fit to give it a side stand.
I had to drill one hole in the frame plate, but it's in a non critical area. I could have made the adaptor plate to pick up on the rear engine mount bolt, but that bolt goes right through to the other side and is about a foot long. I didn't fancy my chances of finding another 10mm longer.
It was a piece of rusty old steel plate I had lying aroud, hence the few pock marks in the surface, even after cleaning the rust off with an angle grinder. But it'll look OK when painted.
Stand is a Kawasaki ZZR 600 or something like that. I cut the switch bracket off and tidied it up a bit. The foot knob is cut down 6" nail.
I'm quite pleased with the way it turned out. It tucks in neatly under the exhaust. Remains to be seen how it will look when it's painted, and how far the bike will lean over. I'm still waiting for the Ducati red paint to dry.
Cam
While it's not a difficult bike to put on the centre stand (since I lowered it by 20mm) it's always bugged me that Ducati didn't see fit to give it a side stand.
I had to drill one hole in the frame plate, but it's in a non critical area. I could have made the adaptor plate to pick up on the rear engine mount bolt, but that bolt goes right through to the other side and is about a foot long. I didn't fancy my chances of finding another 10mm longer.
It was a piece of rusty old steel plate I had lying aroud, hence the few pock marks in the surface, even after cleaning the rust off with an angle grinder. But it'll look OK when painted.
Stand is a Kawasaki ZZR 600 or something like that. I cut the switch bracket off and tidied it up a bit. The foot knob is cut down 6" nail.
I'm quite pleased with the way it turned out. It tucks in neatly under the exhaust. Remains to be seen how it will look when it's painted, and how far the bike will lean over. I'm still waiting for the Ducati red paint to dry.
Cam
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Looks great Cam,I tried something similar on the Pantah after loving the ease of one on the 3C.
I bought an Alazzurra sidestand,a Cagiva model very close to a Pantah,same frame.It arrived without the longer special shaped bolt/The sidestand doubles up on the centrestand bolt.I asked and it turned up a month later.So I attempt to mount it.The whole exhaust must come off,plus that 300mm engine mount bolt you mentioned plus the centrestand as it all bolts together,leaves nothing to hold up the bike.And then I find the sidestand leans the bike at a crazy angle,its 45mm to short.I am going to make a bit on the bottom to fix this BUT there is zero chance of me pulling all that off again so its going to be welded on with the stand still fitted.PAIN IN THE ARSE JOB,happy when its done I hope.The Lawton Bushman sidestand took 15mins job done.
I bought an Alazzurra sidestand,a Cagiva model very close to a Pantah,same frame.It arrived without the longer special shaped bolt/The sidestand doubles up on the centrestand bolt.I asked and it turned up a month later.So I attempt to mount it.The whole exhaust must come off,plus that 300mm engine mount bolt you mentioned plus the centrestand as it all bolts together,leaves nothing to hold up the bike.And then I find the sidestand leans the bike at a crazy angle,its 45mm to short.I am going to make a bit on the bottom to fix this BUT there is zero chance of me pulling all that off again so its going to be welded on with the stand still fitted.PAIN IN THE ARSE JOB,happy when its done I hope.The Lawton Bushman sidestand took 15mins job done.
Dellortoman
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The final assembly.
The only compromise was to turn the exhaust clamp so the bolt is now on the outside rather than tucked under the pipe. I had to do that to make room for the sidestand behind the pipe. I doubt it will give me any cornering clearance problems though. I reckon if I scrape that bolt, then I'm pushing the (normal road) tyres too close to the limit. The fairing scrapes before anything else anyway.
Rather than thrash the poor old Jota (again) within an inch of busting a conrod, I'm planning to re-register this bike and take it to Broadford at Easter. It'll get a good caning around the track, but lap times won't be impressive because I'll be taking it easy in the corners. The Michelin Macadams that are about 6 years old and possibly a little beyond their use-by date. They've done bugger-all kilometers (bike has sat unused for 2 years) so have plenty of tread on them. I'm not forking out for a new set of tyres just for a track day, so the old Macadams will have to do. If anyone is going to Broadford, look out for the campsite with a Ducati MHR. I've never seen a Mike Hailwood Replica at Broadford before, so I doubt there will be any confusion.
Cheers,
Cam
Edit: Bugger! Just looked at the photo and the centre stand is doesn't match the rest of the bike. I painted it a few years ago when I cut and re-welded it (to shorten it) but the paint wasn't a good match. Now it has a more closely matched (to the frame) side stand next to it, the mis-match sticks out like dogs balls.
The only compromise was to turn the exhaust clamp so the bolt is now on the outside rather than tucked under the pipe. I had to do that to make room for the sidestand behind the pipe. I doubt it will give me any cornering clearance problems though. I reckon if I scrape that bolt, then I'm pushing the (normal road) tyres too close to the limit. The fairing scrapes before anything else anyway.
Rather than thrash the poor old Jota (again) within an inch of busting a conrod, I'm planning to re-register this bike and take it to Broadford at Easter. It'll get a good caning around the track, but lap times won't be impressive because I'll be taking it easy in the corners. The Michelin Macadams that are about 6 years old and possibly a little beyond their use-by date. They've done bugger-all kilometers (bike has sat unused for 2 years) so have plenty of tread on them. I'm not forking out for a new set of tyres just for a track day, so the old Macadams will have to do. If anyone is going to Broadford, look out for the campsite with a Ducati MHR. I've never seen a Mike Hailwood Replica at Broadford before, so I doubt there will be any confusion.
Cheers,
Cam
Edit: Bugger! Just looked at the photo and the centre stand is doesn't match the rest of the bike. I painted it a few years ago when I cut and re-welded it (to shorten it) but the paint wasn't a good match. Now it has a more closely matched (to the frame) side stand next to it, the mis-match sticks out like dogs balls.
