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.... and here`s Terry Melcher`s mum .......... Co written and produced by Terry , after step dad ( and Day`s third husband ) , Marty Melcher ( Farty Belcher , as Dean Martin would call him ) lost a load of Day`s money through un wise investments ...... forcing her to do TV shows she really didn`t want to do , in order to pay off tax demands ........ This single , and the film it came from , would also help in that respect .......

Move Over Darling was a descendent of .........

.......Something`s Got To Give , the final film Marilyn Monroe was working on ..... Director George Cukor fired Monroe for lateness / not turning up at all ....... Lee Remick was hired to replace her , but co star Dean Martin had a clause in his contract which stipulated that he could choose who he worked with ..... which was Monroe ..... so she was re hired ...... and things were patched up with Cukor ( There`s a nice picture of them together with a birthday cake bought for her ) ...... but then a couple of weeks later she was dead anyway , so that was the end of that .....

Something`s Got To Give eventually resurfaced as Move Over Darling , with Day instead of Monroe , and Rock Hudson in place of Dean Martin ........

Monroe was found dead in bed ....... overdose apparently ....... empty bottles found by her bedside , but no trace of sediment from the pills in her stomach ........ and no water ( or any liquid ) with which to take them being present either ....... and in the autopsy report , it was stated that her body had been turned over from lying on it`s back to lying on it`s front after her death .......

At the time of her death she was apparently having affairs with both John and Robert Kennedy and a third guy as well .......... nothing to do with the Kennedys , just some other bloke she happened to know ....

In contrast , Doris Day lived to a ripe old age , outliving her son Terry ..........
 
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Hard working Steven Morris on drums ........ Saw Joy Division live Oct 1979 in Bristol ... Seven months later in May 1980 was on my way back from the BMF Rally at Peterborough on the Mirage , and stopped to shelter in some field entrance for a while as it was pissing down with rain ......... Later that same evening Joy Division singer Ian Curtis hung himself in the kitchen of his house in Macclesfield .......

When I saw them , kids at the front of the stage were shouting out " Go on , do your butterfly dance ! " ........ Bass player Peter Hook once said that during early rehearsals Curtis had behaved quite normally , but the first time they performed in front of an audience , he suddenly launched into these gymnastics , taking everyone by surprise .........
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I think I would have hanged myself from a bustop after watching them-
rocketonarail said:

.... and here`s Terry Melcher`s mum .......... Co written and produced by Terry , after step dad ( and Day`s third husband ) , Marty Melcher ( Farty Belcher , as Dean Martin would call him ) lost a load of Day`s money through un wise investments ...... forcing her to do TV shows she really didn`t want to do , in order to pay off tax demands ........ This single , and the film it came from , would also help in that respect .......

Move Over Darling was a descendent of .........

.......Something`s Got To Give , the final film Marilyn Monroe was working on ..... Director George Cukor fired Monroe for lateness / not turning up at all ....... Lee Remick was hired to replace her , but co star Dean Martin had a clause in his contract which stipulated that he could choose who he worked with ..... which was Monroe ..... so she was re hired ...... and things were patched up with Cukor ( There`s a nice picture of them together with a birthday cake bought for her ) ...... but then a couple of weeks later she was dead anyway , so that was the end of that .....

Something`s Got To Give eventually resurfaced as Move Over Darling , with Day instead of Monroe , and Rock Hudson in place of Dean Martin ........

Monroe was found dead in bed ....... overdose apparently ....... empty bottles found by her bedside , but no trace of sediment from the pills in her stomach ........ and no water ( or any liquid ) with which to take them being present either ....... and in the autopsy report , it was stated that her body had been turned over from lying on it`s back to lying on it`s front after her death .......

At the time of her death she was apparently having affairs with both John and Robert Kennedy and a third guy as well .......... nothing to do with the Kennedys , just some other bloke she happened to know ....

In contrast , Doris Day lived to a ripe old age , outliving her son Terry ..........
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I think Terry was meant to go to the Manson party but had broken his leg on a motorbike- there’s a stroke of luck !
 
Exmoor beast said:
I think I would have hanged myself from a bustop after watching them-

I think Terry was meant to go to the Manson party but had broken his leg on a motorbike- there’s a stroke of luck !
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Joy Division were ok ..... they were supporting The Buzzcocks , so it wasn`t an entire evening of doom and gloom ........

Melcher rented the house in Cielo Drive , where he lived with Candice Bergen ....... When they split up , he decided he didn`t want to stay on at the house , so a friend of his , Greg Jacobson ( whose father in law was Lou Costello of Abbot and Costello fame ) started to enquire on Melcher`s behalf to see if anyone was interested in sub letting the house from Melcher for the remainder of the term ....... By this time Melcher and Jacobson had been introduced to Manson by Dennis Wilson of The Beach Boys .........

Jacobson and Wilson were the ones who suggested to Melcher that he listen to Manson`s songs , with a view to giving him a helping hand regarding a record deal ......... This would have been through The Beach Boys " Brother " record label , which was handled through their main label Capitol records , in a similar way that The Beatles had their Apple label through EMI / Parlophone ....... At least one other major American record company was also showing an interest in Manson at this time .....

Whilst the house was empty , another associate of Manson`s , Dean Moorehouse and his daughter Ruth moved in ...... whilst they were there , other members of the Manson " family " would visit and stay over , and Manson himself was familiar with the house , having visited when Melcher and Candice Bergen were still living there .....

Jacobson continued to make enquires on Melcher`s behalf , and eventually he got in touch with Roman Polanski and Sharon Tate , who said they would be interested in the house .... So when that was agreed , Dean Moorehouse and his daughter moved out , and Polanski and Tate moved in .......

In the meantime , Jacobson , Wilson and Melcher had started to become more aware of Manson`s true nature , and started to distance themselves from him ...... especially after news of an incident involving Manson and a drug dealer " Lotsapoppa " Bernard Crowe leaked out ......... Manson suddenly found himself cut off from his former buddies , and realised the train to musical fame and fortune was leaving the station without him ....... Manson would visit the Cielo Drive house , to try to re establish contact with Melcher , only to find Melcher was no longer there , and the house had new occupants ......

On one of these visits , Manson was intercepted by owner Rudi Altobelli , who lived in the guest house , and was told to push off and stop disturbing the new occupants ( The Polanskis ) .......

During the summer of `69 , Polanski was going to be spending time in London preparing film scripts ( aka night clubbing with Victor Lownes ) , and Tate would be spending time in Italy , so they arranged for a couple of their friends to house sit for them whilst they were away ........
.... When Tate returned in August ( Polanski was still in London ) , she was murdered alongside these two friends , plus long time friend and celeb hairdresser Jay Sebring , when four members of the " family " broke into the house , on Manson`s instructions , on the night of Aug 8 th .......

Melcher always believed he may have been the intended target , as Manson would have felt he had been misled / betrayed / let down by him ..... and Manson knew he had lived at the address .... although Manson always said that wasn`t the case , as he had been made aware Melcher no longer lived there ........ Nevertheless , Melcher employed a bodyguard for some time afterwards , and was especially nervous when appearing as a witness at the subsequent murder trial .........

It`s all grim reading , and I`ll shut up about it now ........ but if you`re interested in the music scene in the `States in the late `sixties , then all this stuff lurks rather unpleasantly in the background ..........

Just a couple of more things ...... talking of strokes of luck .........

You may remember ( If you`re really old like me ) a chart hit single here in the UK back in 1962 called " Come Outside " by Mike Sarne ........ It was originally going to be recorded in a rock and roll style as was popular at the time , but Mike Sarne suggested they slow the whole thing down a bit , and that he sing it with a London Cockney accent ....... This they did , and the Cockney accent thing gave them the idea to get Wendy Richard in to provide a counterpoint to his vocals ........

In 1969 , Mike Sarne was in California directing the film Myra Beckinridge ( starring Racquel Welch ) , and was looking for a place to stay during that time .......... Sarne was friends with Sharon Tate , and she suggested he stay at the Cielo Drive house whilst she and Polanski were away , so it wouldn`t remain empty ........ But Sarne found a place in Malibu which suited him better , so he turned her down .........

If he had taken up her offer , then he would have almost certainly been at the house when Tate returned , instead of the two friends who did take the offer up , so luckily for him avoided ending up as one of the victims ........

Mike Sarne is still around ...... Now aged 83 ..........


Another story is that Manson auditioned for The Monkees ........ but then so did loads of people , so maybe nothing unusual in that .....

One more story that floats around is that Neil Young once said about Manson " He`s a little out of control , but definitely worth listening to ... " ( meaning his music ) ........ Maybe true or not ........ But a member of the " family" , Catherine Gilles , had previously been a Buffalo Springfield groupie / camp follower ........ So if that was the case , then Neil Young and Charles Manson would have both known Catherine Gilles , so maybe she is the link between the two of them , and there is something in that story after all ..........
 
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Then Phil Spector was unhinged, later in life or prior, unless there...whom would know. Liked the producer flair he had in the early days, at cost to others of course. j
 

Mike Sarne and Wendy Richard ........ went to No 1 , I think , in 1962 ..... I was 8 years old and the family was on holiday down in Cornwall ...... We were in a cafe in Perranporth and this kept being played on the jukebox ....... Later on in St Ives my mother and grandmother and me were walking along the road when my mother spotted some Beatniks sat in a shop doorway .... so we crossed the road to avoid them ... best not risk any trouble .....

Mike Sarne directed two films ... Joanna ( which was based around Carnaby Street I think ) , and Myra Beckinridge ........
Beckinridge was the film which ended his directing career ...... It ran way over budget ...... mainly due to Mike Sarnes unusual way of working ........

It seems he would encourage the cast to argue or bicker among themselves ....... and in the meantime lock himself away in a room " to think " .......
He took hours on end and who knows how many takes to film a dining table with a fruit bowl on it ........ all for a clip which would last just a few seconds in the finished film ........

The finished film was not quite as bad as some made out , but Gore Vidal , whose novel the film was based on , was not impressed ....... On hearing that no studio would touch Sarne after all this , and that Sarne was now working as a waiter , he was reported as saying " Maybe there is a God after all " ........

Mike Sarne was probably one of the last people to see Sharon Tate alive , as she visited him at the house he was renting in Malibu to wish him happy birthday ( August 6 th ) , just a couple of days before she was killed .....

Later on , he hosted Junior Criss Cross Quiz on ITV , and would pop up in things like The Sweeney , and Minder every now and again .....
 
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Then Phil Spector was unhinged, later in life or prior, unless there...whom would know. Liked the producer flair he had in the early days, at cost to others of course. j
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Remembered he produced End of The Century album with The Ramones ................. was looking for a track to play , but none really inspired me that much ............ ( although I only looked at a couple ) .......
 
rocketonarail said:
Joy Division were ok ..... they were supporting The Buzzcocks , so it wasn`t a entire evening of doom and gloom ........

Melcher rented the house in Cielo Drive , where he lived with Candice Bergen ....... When they split up , he decided he didn`t want to stay on at the house , so a friend of his , Greg Jacobson ( whose father in law was Lou Costello of Abbot and Costello fame ) started to enquire on Melcher`s behalf to see if anyone was interested in sub letting the house from Melcher for the remainder of the term ....... By this time Melcher and Jacobson had been introduced to Manson by Dennis Wilson of The Beach Boys .........

Jacobson and Wilson were the ones who suggested to Melcher that he listen to Manson`s songs , with a view to giving him a helping hand regarding a record deal ......... This would have been through The Beach Boys " Brother " record label , which was handled through their main label Capitol records , in a similar way that The Beatles had their Apple label through EMI / Parlophone ....... At least one other major American record company was also showing an interest in Manson at this time .....

Whilst the house was empty , another associate of Manson`s , Dean Moorehouse and his daughter Ruth moved in ...... whilst they were there , other members of the Manson " family " would visit and stay over , and Manson himself was familiar with the house , having visited when Melcher and Candice Bergen were still living there .....

Jacobson continued to make enquires on Melcher`s behalf , and eventually he got in touch with Roman Polanski and Sharon Tate , who said they would be interested in the house .... So when that was agreed , Dean Moorehouse and his daughter moved out , and Polanski and Tate moved in .......

In the meantime , Jacobson , Wilson and Melcher had started to become more aware of Manson`s true nature , and started to distance themselves from him ...... especially after news of an incident involving Manson and a drug dealer " Lotsapoppa " Bernard Crowe leaked out ......... Manson suddenly found himself cut off from his former buddies , and realised the train to musical fame and fortune was leaving the station without him ....... Manson would visit the Cielo Drive house , to try to re establish contact with Melcher , only to find Melcher was no longer there , and the house had new occupants ......

On one of these visits , Manson was intercepted by owner Rudi Altobelli , who lived in the guest house , and was told to push off and stop disturbing the new occupants ( The Polanskis ) .......

During the summer of `69 , Polanski was going to be spending time in London preparing film scripts ( aka night clubbing with Victor Lownes ) , and Tate would be spending time in Italy , so they arranged for a couple of their friends to house sit for them whilst they were away ........
.... When Tate returned in August ( Polanski was still in London ) , she was murdered alongside these two friends , plus long time friend and celeb hairdresser Jay Sebring , when four members of the " family " broke into the house , on Manson`s instructions , on the night of Aug 8 th .......

Melcher always believed he may have been the intended target , as Manson would have felt he had been misled / betrayed / let down by him ..... and Manson knew he had lived at the address .... although Manson always said that wasn`t the case , as he had been made aware Melcher no longer lived there ........ Nevertheless , Melcher employed a bodyguard for some time afterwards , and was especially nervous when appearing as a witness at the subsequent murder trial .........

It`s all grim reading , and I`ll shut up about it now ........ but if you`re interested in the music scene in the `States in the late `sixties , then all this stuff lurks rather unpleasantly in the background ..........

Just a couple of more things ...... talking of strokes of luck .........

You may remember ( If you`re really old like me ) a chart hit single here in the UK back in 1962 called " Come Outside " by Mike Sarne ........ It was originally going to be recorded in a rock and roll style as was popular at the time , but Mike Sarne suggested they slow the whole thing down a bit , and that he sing it with a London Cockney accent ....... This they did , and the Cockney accent thing gave them the idea to get Wendy Richard in to provide a counterpoint to his vocals ........

In 1969 , Mike Sarne was in California directing the film Myra Beckinridge ( starring Racquel Welch ) , and was looking for a place to stay during that time .......... Sarne was friends with Sharon Tate , and she suggested he stay at the Cielo Drive house whilst she and Polanski were away , so it wouldn`t remain empty ........ But Sarne found a place in Malibu which suited him better , so he turned her down .........

If he had taken up her offer , then he would have almost certainly been at the house when Tate returned , instead of the two friends who did take the offer up , so luckily for him avoided ending up as one of the victims ........

Mike Sarne is still around ...... Now aged 83 ..........


Another story is that Manson auditioned for The Monkees ........ but then so did loads of people , so maybe nothing unusual in that .....

One more story that floats around is that Neil Young once said about Manson " He`s a little out of control , but definitely worth listening to ... " ( meaning his music ) ........ Maybe true or not ........ But a member of the " family" , Catherine Gilles , had previously been a Buffalo Springfield groupie / camp follower ........ So if that was the case , then Neil Young and Charles Manson would have both known Catherine Gilles , so maybe she is the link between the two of them , and there is something in that story after all ..........
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Debbie Harry was given a lift by Ted Bundy but got out the car! Steve McQueen was also supposedly invited to the party- crazy times LSD - never going to end well.
 
Parties were held at the house ....... people in nearby houses were used to noise coming from the place into the early hours ....... on the night of the murders , there were reports of noise coming from the house , but that was nothing unusual , so not much notice was taken .......
There were also reports of the sound of gunshots ....... but noise from central Los Angeles would be funneled and amplified as it travelled it`s way up the canyon , so again not much notice was taken by people in neighbouring properties .....

Leslie Caron , who attended some of these parties , said she would worry , as Sharon Tate never seemed to be sure who half of the guests were ..... friends of a friend of a friend , that sort of thing ................ When she mentioned this , Tate would reply " Oh it`s fine , it`s the way things are nowadays ..."

On the night in question there was no party as such .... the four of them had just returned from a meal out , and were preparing for bed .......

Steve McQueens name was later found on a list of celeb names the " family" were intending to target in the future ..... When he found out , he took to carrying a gun around with him ......
 
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Popular with being played at NFL games in the `States apparently ............. First female vocalist is Alice Nutter ..... named after the real Alice Nutter , who was hanged at Lancaster in 1612 as a witch , on the evidence of a nine year old girl ................ One other accused was Elizabeth Device ( Squinting Lizzie ) ......

Never seen a TOTP audience so animated .......
 
iis_iis said:
What about some Massive Attack Tony?


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Never been a 100% fan of Massive Attack Jon ......... sort of liked them a bit , but not much , if you see what I mean ......

They came originally from my home town ( city ) Bristol ......... Robert Del Naja`s ( 3D ) dad ran the Beehive pub in Westbuty on Trym , just around the corner from where I used to live ..... ( if you look at Video clips featuring you and your Laverda , post #6 , at 5:34 , you will see a glimpse of The Beehive on the right ) .......

Although it was my " local" didn`t really use it very much ........ unless we had missed the bus ( the bus stop into town was right outside ) ........ then we might nip inside for a quick pint till the next bus arrived ........
 
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