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Geez, I wouldn't have deleted it, Paul! Certainly not from anything I said. As for me, I was building moto wheels long before I started building bicycle wheels.
I think CK has had work done by Ash's wheels and haven't heard any negatory feedback from him (Chris?)
As I said these rear wheels are by far the hardest to spoke. And there are lots of ways to skin a cat. Mine at one point without my consent was respoked using a single cross style and only butting with the hub internally instead of each spoke going inside and the next outside. That was the system that according to the wheelwright had been fine with Turbo engined Harleys but resulted in 12 spokes braking in mine. Lots of people do MX wheels but these are in a completely different ball field. I didn't even notice Cams issue till he pointed it out.
Anyway, it's good to discuss this stuff so all can learn in the long run. BTW I am tossing up where I up my toque value for these spokes from 4.5n to 5 so I get a better ring tone. I am going to tap a few other rear wheels first to see how they ring tone with a tap. I did a google search on spoke toque values and found a few references to heavy bikes at the aforesaid 4.5 so I will see after some tapping how I go. Mine make a few different tones between what spoke goes where, and some are a bit dull in tone. A zilerphone they are not.
Anyway, it's good to discuss this stuff so all can learn in the long run. BTW I am tossing up where I up my toque value for these spokes from 4.5n to 5 so I get a better ring tone. I am going to tap a few other rear wheels first to see how they ring tone with a tap. I did a google search on spoke toque values and found a few references to heavy bikes at the aforesaid 4.5 so I will see after some tapping how I go. Mine make a few different tones between what spoke goes where, and some are a bit dull in tone. A zilerphone they are not.
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I wasn't my intention to cause offence Paul. Just offering an opinion. I did wonder whether I should say anything at all, but I figured you were inviting comment by putting up a picture.
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I’ve used them a number of times, and another pair waiting to go off to them. Nothing but good words from me.
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Just catching up on all this as there has been a lot of bench racing tonight here in Bega
Hmm here’s what I think as Twinweb AKA Bevelman is the only LAVERDA rider I know who can keep with Cosi on the Bruxner then I reckon that there ain’t too much wrong with his wheel lacer
Here’s an idea if there is anything wrong with the way it’s laced then the Redax factory test rider would be the one to find fault surely.
For me ( but yep what would I know ) I cannot see anything wrong with it in fact I’m going to get my 750 wheels relaxed by this guy as well
If there’s a better way then let’s go for a run on the Bruxner chasing Cosi and see my poor silver jota rear shocks and rear indicator cried enough and I am no where near the rider that 63 is I still remember watching with awe him leading the pack at Eastern creek in his last ride before hanging up his boots to take on his coaching roles and team test duties.
Hmm here’s what I think as Twinweb AKA Bevelman is the only LAVERDA rider I know who can keep with Cosi on the Bruxner then I reckon that there ain’t too much wrong with his wheel lacer
Here’s an idea if there is anything wrong with the way it’s laced then the Redax factory test rider would be the one to find fault surely.
For me ( but yep what would I know ) I cannot see anything wrong with it in fact I’m going to get my 750 wheels relaxed by this guy as well
If there’s a better way then let’s go for a run on the Bruxner chasing Cosi and see my poor silver jota rear shocks and rear indicator cried enough and I am no where near the rider that 63 is I still remember watching with awe him leading the pack at Eastern creek in his last ride before hanging up his boots to take on his coaching roles and team test duties.
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Gracias, Brett. I think that thread evolved more into a discussion about the ins and outs of lacing a wheel, spoke quality, spoke tension, blah blah blah. All started when Cam noticed what looked like a curved in-to-out spoke - my eyes ain't good enough to notice. From my perspective it moved quickly away from focussing on TW's wheel and into the realms of spoke 'science'. Vince chimed in with his tales of woe and his rear wheel rebuild and handful of broken spokes. I think Chuck added a comment or two about his funky new KLR wheel with the mightily engineered rear brake caliper stay 
Plenty of chatter on here where (too) many voice their varied opinions of any number of things. Bloody hell, this one even stayed on (the new) topic!
Dead right - if a wheel holds up in the real world, then it's a good wheel!! Where's the Bruxner go? I think I drove that in the Skoda when heading to Armidale from Sydney a few years back and was warned about the atrocious surface - I loved it, Skoda soaked up hat shize nicely and didn't see any fuzz for the duration.
Plenty of chatter on here where (too) many voice their varied opinions of any number of things. Bloody hell, this one even stayed on (the new) topic!Dead right - if a wheel holds up in the real world, then it's a good wheel!! Where's the Bruxner go? I think I drove that in the Skoda when heading to Armidale from Sydney a few years back and was warned about the atrocious surface - I loved it, Skoda soaked up hat shize nicely and didn't see any fuzz for the duration.
Skoda hmm that’s a five year old VW which is a five. Year old Audi
Better you keep to LAVERDA speak here please Quentin
When will you be up that way on your SFQ ?? Let’s see how it holds up on the Bruxner it goes from Tenterfield to Casino if ya can keep Cosi in sight when he’s on the Gelati then good stuff
Better you keep to LAVERDA speak here please Quentin
When will you be up that way on your SFQ ?? Let’s see how it holds up on the Bruxner it goes from Tenterfield to Casino if ya can keep Cosi in sight when he’s on the Gelati then good stuff
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Yeah, I know - a car ... But a bit like a Laverda, the Skoda. Tough old workhorse, superseded technology, but actually loves to be driven hard. You can have your Audis - too much techno that only the well-heeled who replace them every two years can afford. The Skooter not that diff from a VW. Was travelling north with daughter on that trip.
So not the Bruxner. But sounds like fun!
The Q will eventually make its way onto the roads. I could have it going in two weeks if I could find the time away from flooded backyards, demolished kitchens, revamped workshops, lockdowns, fancy roof suppliers, tradies, 12cu metres of broken bricks and concrete ... did I mention flooded backyards? Slab contractor wants to dig on Tuesday, pour next Monday, weather forecast fro next three days looks like a bad winter. House extension owner-builder taking priority unfortunately ... wish it were otherwards, but it ain't. A bit more sleep would help too!!
Today I managed to trim my steering stop and fit 4 copper washers to my calipers. Wow ... progress!!
So not the Bruxner. But sounds like fun!
The Q will eventually make its way onto the roads. I could have it going in two weeks if I could find the time away from flooded backyards, demolished kitchens, revamped workshops, lockdowns, fancy roof suppliers, tradies, 12cu metres of broken bricks and concrete ... did I mention flooded backyards? Slab contractor wants to dig on Tuesday, pour next Monday, weather forecast fro next three days looks like a bad winter. House extension owner-builder taking priority unfortunately ... wish it were otherwards, but it ain't. A bit more sleep would help too!!
Today I managed to trim my steering stop and fit 4 copper washers to my calipers. Wow ... progress!!
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Love the cats!! Unfortunately, house extension refuses to wait - been too many years already.
As for the Skoda, VAG has quite a stable - Audi, Seat, Skoda, VW, Porsche, Bentley, Bugatti, Ducati, Lamborghini, Scania, MAN. Learn summit new every day. If Laverda still existed, I'm sure they would have mopped them up too!!
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I think I heard somewhere that VW is the largest vehicle manufacturer in the world. So I just looked it up.
In total $ value of vehicles sold per year, VW just beats Toyota.
In numbers of vehicles produced per year, Toyota just beats VW.
Does that mean VW cars are over-priced?
In total $ value of vehicles sold per year, VW just beats Toyota.
In numbers of vehicles produced per year, Toyota just beats VW.
Does that mean VW cars are over-priced?
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Audi: yes, VW: maybe, Skoda: no. They trickle the tech down from Audi to VW to Skoda and the others. I quite like the fact that the Skoda's VAG hand-me-down bits are generally workhorse rather than bling - no 5 x camchain V6s, but a diesel engine that will last for decades (Piet's has 450,000km from memory), but has the modern pull like a bull performance that VW generated in their turbo diesels. I don't complain about getting 950+km from 50L of fuel. Absolute worst is stop start (think lockdown, 5km radius limit) is about 600km from same. If it was permitted it would cruise on 160-180kph all day too. I held it steady on 160 one day in the middle of outback NSW and it was registering 8.5L/100 (four people on board). I still shat myself that a cop would be coming the other way even though I could see the horizon and not a tree in sight!!
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Hey just quietly Brett……
Your the one selling Chinese cars, and ’m pretty sure they’re the lemons for the masses.
Not sure there’s an argument there to honest
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Not quite in this case Brett.
The Skoda Octavia 1U, Golf IV 1J, Audi A3 8L, Audi TT 8N and Seat Leon I were all based on the VAG PQ34 platform. The A3 was the first to arrive in 1996, the others followed 1997 and 1998. So, not really a hand-me-down. Facelift versions of all models appeared from 2003-2006. The Octavia 1U5 Wagon/Estate lived on until 2010, parallel to the 1Z successor, introduced 2004. Not many "modern" cars have enjoyed such a long model run. Bloody durable lumps of metal... think HD Holden, but without the rust!
Skoda and Seat are giving VW a run for its money in Europe, offering almost the same cars at a considerably lower price without sacrificing anything but image.
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My apologies but I recently brought an Audi S6 V10 and I love the power and the sound! I sold 2off 1995 Audi S6 Avants that we had driven for 10 years for the same price I paid for them. One had 330km and the other had 430km. Sorry.