New ignition system being pushed

martymoose

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Reads interesting. Long duration spark, hmmmmm, wonder how that works?
 
Been around in Ducatis for a while, based in Oz. You program and receive Data via your phone, it does Air fuel as well. All sorts of add ons avalable. I think the designer has a long-time family association with a big Holden dealership back in the day.
 
MSD Marty, unless a pure DC system which would be novel, iis long box had MSD ( multiple spark discharge ) for up to about 2500rpm, its usefulness above that rpm is not so pronounced. Perhaps all this lot did was increase the restrike rate, a low tech "new innovation", spare me...

This system appears a graphical front end more than any technical innovation, machining looks over the top, reflected in the pricing... then i would say that "would'nt i" tribute to Mandy Rice-Davies and of course the inimitable Christine Keeler quotes from the bedroom...

During my iis R and D, Quirk i noticed with ionisation spark current, the actual fuel load combustion initiates a dead short across the spark gap, this precludes any meaningful "MSD" operation no matter the frequency j
 
Interesting, IIS box in the 120 Jota still performing faultlessly 25 years on. So the MSD improves idle and low speed running. Assume pickup sensor from 1 RPM is not a new thing either?
 
 

There are many reasons for our improved performance, however we’re particularly proud of our unique “LDS” – Long Duration Spark technology.​

Back in 1968, it was probably the whiff of petrol, the unburned mixture coming out an exhaust pipe that ignited MSD Ignition’s epiphany that readily available potential horsepower is lost because of incomplete combustion. They concluded that if they could ignite this unburned mixture they could create a bigger explosion and create more horsepower. Their solution was to issue multiple sparks each combustion event to ignite the fresh incoming mixture that follows behind the initial ignition event that may not otherwise ignite to create a bigger bang!​

“Our improvement over MSD is that modern ignition technology enables us to fill the gaps between the multiple sparks of MSD and replace them with our Long Duration Spark for an even more complete combustion,” says Michael Arnott.​

 
Snake Oil Marty IMHO

Read the blurb in all of the advertising. Reminds me of trembler ignition, except one big long spark rather than many.
But I'm with John, especially his last paragraph and his description of a graphical interface.
 
Indeed David, you dont see a lot of Snake Oil on the shelves of late, maybe a new slogan would help, "...there's a great bight in every recyclable bottle.." never did understand why anyone wanted a tiger in their tank?

Wait for the next great new era techs "invention", Resonant Converter, still have one here as a kit, a high tech that looks for a high tech motor...still like to complete it and see what difference, unless apathy takes hold of here once more...j.

*** For general background on ignitions, an article of some technical content, though pictures and conclusion give a broad concept. BTW you actually do want a negative going pulse at the plug centre electrode, think the authors mean "negative pulse on a +12V buss can do damage.

 
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Come on, my favourite were solid lead pellets that theoretically dissolve in your fuel tank. Or maybe Peter Brocks cristles in a box.
 
Dunno Vince, many were the Laverda riders issuing time honoured ( fruitless ) chants upon their motors to burst into life, which they did in the day, more so RGS owners with dying battery oem BTZ, better known as the backfire buzooka, kids loved the fire works and bangs.... you cannot buy more fun for your dollar, j
 
Inadvertently I filled the tank in my Land Rover, Jeeves, with the snake Super Premium bullshite diesel. Jeeves is, fortunately diesel powered. Approx 7.5% more expensive, c. 7.5% LESS economy, and 'seat of pants' possibly 3 - 5% more responsiveness.

Pay more to not go as far, sigh. Will try not to repeat the mistake.

Last time, and the only previous time, I made an mis-fueling mistake, I brimmed from empty my Jaguar, Mick. Mick liked diesel and did not like being feed unleaded E5. Fortunately I had a good insurance policy with a "numpty owner cover". They paid out with a few weeks without quibble, pleasantly shocked.
 
Last time, and the only previous time, I made an mis-fueling mistake, I brimmed from empty my Jaguar, Mick. Mick liked diesel and did not like being feed unleaded E5. Fortunately I had a good insurance policy with a "numpty owner cover". They paid out with a few weeks without quibble, pleasantly shocked.

Unfortunate cock-up James, but you don't have to feel stupid on your own. I put unleaded in my Diesel Mitsubishi a few years ago. Only time in my life I ever mis-fueled a vehicle. Dunno what I was thinking at the time. At least the penny dropped when the tank was about half full. I think it was the petrol smell that made me realise. I didn't want to start the engine, or even turn the ignition key on (wasn't sure if it had an electric fuel pump). Servo owner let me push the vehicle over to the side of the forecourt and drain the tank into an oil-change pan, then decant it into a couple of plastic jerry cans, all of which I had to buy from Supercheap Auto which was just a short walk away around the corner. After doing all that, I then realised I needed another fuel container and funnel to put diesel in the tank because it was bone dry and the hose from the fuel bowser wouldn't reach to where my car was, so I had to go for another walk to Supercheap. It all cost about an hour of farting about and buying stuff that I wouldn't otherwise have bought. Now I have more fuel containers, oil drain pans and funnels than I know what to do with. But the thing that pissed me off most is having to pay for half a tank of unleaded that I couldn't use in another vehicle because it was contaminated with diesel.
 
You might think the manufacturers might have a fail-safe concept, square peg in a round hole, maybe. Hoses only fitting into tanks they're made for. To Complcated?
 
Unfortunate cock-up James, but you don't have to feel stupid on your own. I put unleaded in my Diesel Mitsubishi a few years ago. Only time in my life I ever mis-fueled a vehicle. Dunno what I was thinking at the time. At least the penny dropped when the tank was about half full. I think it was the petrol smell that made me realise. I didn't want to start the engine, or even turn the ignition key on (wasn't sure if it had an electric fuel pump). Servo owner let me push the vehicle over to the side of the forecourt and drain the tank into an oil-change pan, then decant it into a couple of plastic jerry cans, all of which I had to buy from Supercheap Auto which was just a short walk away around the corner. After doing all that, I then realised I needed another fuel container and funnel to put diesel in the tank because it was bone dry and the hose from the fuel bowser wouldn't reach to where my car was, so I had to go for another walk to Supercheap. It all cost about an hour of farting about and buying stuff that I wouldn't otherwise have bought. Now I have more fuel containers, oil drain pans and funnels than I know what to do with. But the thing that pissed me off most is having to pay for half a tank of unleaded that I couldn't use in another vehicle because it was contaminated with diesel.
Mick Jaguar mis-fueling was at a head scrambled mental health breakdown time for me at the time.

No shame what so ever accepting and trying to do summat about one's own difficulties, and indeed helping others starting/or on the way with their journeys.

Work in progress.

Love & Peace all xx
 
You might think the manufacturers might have a fail-safe concept, square peg in a round hole, maybe. Hoses only fitting into tanks they're made for. To Complcated?
Back when i worked in petroleum industry......(25yrs ago) you couldn't fit a Diesel nozzle in a ULP cars filler snout! Still the case today.
But you can certainly put a ULP nozzle in a Diesel filler snout.......def not recommended tho. :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: o_O
 
You might think the manufacturers might have a fail-safe concept, square peg in a round hole, maybe. Hoses only fitting into tanks they're made for. To Complcated?
In the yUK the hose for gasoline is smaller than the diesel. Gasoline in diesel way more of an issue than Vicky Verker.

Mick was valued c. £2,5k. Quote for parts alone was about £2k, labour...
Insurance paid me £2.4k, which is more than wot I bought Mick for.

I regret killing Mick, glad I've owned and done some miles in a Jag.
 
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Big and small holes, what about different-shaped holes? I do like to see American videos where they forget to detach those Auto shutoff connections and drive off with 2 metres of bouser hose hanging off their car.
 
Worked for the Electricity Commission NSW mid 70's Vince, they had their own fuel diesel and petrol pumps at the Homebush depo, massive fleet of vehicles. Waiting my turn, bowser pump nozzle in the car front of me, driver comes out from the office signing the book, jumps in drives off, no auto shutoff those days, detached nozzle in the car , pump hose flaying about spraying my commission car in fuel, hose whiplashing everywhere fuel at full pump capacity, took about 30 seconds to shut the bowser down, by that stage the whole area and cars covered in petrol.

Shut my motor down to avoid sparks, not far away were massive tanks of shale oil with PCB's added for transformer cooling. Could have been a massive fire and blast given the many types of gas bottles also stored on site. Fortunate to not have any 330KV switching yard at the depo proper. Danger every where as a tech, 90 metre radio towers i had to climb, compact substation in the inner city, glass cubicles with 330KV isolators mere few meters away... carrier telephone calls imposed onto the 330KV transmission lines which i had to work on the dividers... ground fault currents that could kill you just by opening a swing gate... thinking about it, lucky to be typing this topic deviation.... wince and a grin, j.
 
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