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Dobbinuk
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I wish Ernesto would stop posting. I lose track of the thread and end up drooling over his avatar.
poffer said:
Really think so Pete?
OCT, Wagner, H?rter and Gijs v. Dijk can supply many bits and pieces reproduced long after the factory went bust. These firms have commissioned enormous batches in the past to keep hundreds of bikes on the roads world wide. The parts range from valves and guides, valve springs as well as numerous other unique springs, pistons, big-end bearings, swingarm bearings, oil pumps, cam bearings, cam and primary chain tensioners, starter clutches, starter motors, brake, clutch and throttle cables, speedo and tach drive cables, rubbery odds and sods. Many of these parts are manufactured by OE suppliers, mainly small outfits located throughout northern Italy. Apart from the special bits, these firms also hold an enormous stock of generic parts such as chains, bearings, etc, as well as tons of NOS items (including twin heads if you happen to need one!) next to even more tons of good S/H spares(frames, tanks, side panels, mudguards, forks, etc, etc.
Next on the OCT agenda will be gearbox shafts and gears for various hard-to-get types. Unfortunately, it is becoming increasingly difficult to have parts made at competitive prices, considering the small batch sizes that are the norm these days, and no, there's not much money in it either!
It's not the large bits that are needed, it's the consumables, so no real need to break perfectly good, restorable bikes. Think about it next time you order a set of cush drive rubbers for your clutch...
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Grant
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There was talk a while back on the forum about the possibility of fabricating new cylinder heads for the triples.
Whether this would be idendical to stock, or improved in the valve/gas flow/metallurgy areas was not clear, but in the long run it would possibly work out as a sound investment compared to bringing back a seriously knackered head from the dead.
I paid Van Dijk 1500 euros around 4 years ago to refurbish an old head with cracks in the combustion chamber, so it got new seats, guides and welded up cracks, then ported to Corsa spec with appropriate valve sizes.
After all this the head was found to be warped so needed one-off cam bearing blocks to mitigate the issue.
I would rather have spent 1500/2000/2500 or whatever (within reason) euros on a brand new head with modern metallurgy and likely CNC machining.
Anyway, the point is that the capability is out there to fabricate almost any part required to keep them on the road. Whether that is economically viable (at this moment in time) is another question, but there will come a day when breaking a bike will not solve all the problems we face to keep them on the road.
Maybe some smart bast can 3D print a new spec head and then get it 3D scanned into a CNC machine. Only a few years ago that would have been dismissed as science fiction.
Whether this would be idendical to stock, or improved in the valve/gas flow/metallurgy areas was not clear, but in the long run it would possibly work out as a sound investment compared to bringing back a seriously knackered head from the dead.
I paid Van Dijk 1500 euros around 4 years ago to refurbish an old head with cracks in the combustion chamber, so it got new seats, guides and welded up cracks, then ported to Corsa spec with appropriate valve sizes.
After all this the head was found to be warped so needed one-off cam bearing blocks to mitigate the issue.
I would rather have spent 1500/2000/2500 or whatever (within reason) euros on a brand new head with modern metallurgy and likely CNC machining.
Anyway, the point is that the capability is out there to fabricate almost any part required to keep them on the road. Whether that is economically viable (at this moment in time) is another question, but there will come a day when breaking a bike will not solve all the problems we face to keep them on the road.
Maybe some smart bast can 3D print a new spec head and then get it 3D scanned into a CNC machine. Only a few years ago that would have been dismissed as science fiction.
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poffer
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Yes really - if you read my post, you will see I refer to 'engineering parts' - I even gave an example 'valves yes, heads no'. I mean heads, crankshafts, crankcases, gears, frames, finned barrels, clutch baskets etc. - these are the heart of the bike and hard to make. Valves, guides, pistons, bearings, chains, clutch plates etc. etc. are really no more than consumables. If your head is scrap, used parts are the only option.
I had a mint series 2 Jota that had scrap cases (broken and bent across the bearing caps). They are unique to that model and it took a year to get some (from South Africa) and I expect they came from a broken bike. If I hadn't got them, I would have had to have broken the Jota.....one bike gone, one bike revived (and probably more with the other SA parts).
QED
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3patC
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It's the way of the world chaps, I've always bought and broken bikes to build others and then sold the remaining parts on. Why not? .....Some of the glittering restorations are only good for cannibalising because they are a mechanical mess. The parts would be better off fitted to a good runner.
poffer said:
And if you had read mine, "next to even more tons of good S/H spares(frames, tanks, side panels, mudguards, forks, etc, etc.", you would realise that it is totally unnecessary to break further bikes as the parts you mention are already in good supply. I did forget to include "engines and engine components".
Countless bikes have been crashed, blown up or simply run into the ground, making rebuilding unviable. These are the ones donating their innards to keep the rest alive... and there are enough of them around already. Reckon OCT has at least a dozen good S/H frames for any triple or twin, loads of engines in varying states of disrepair as well as individual components. Most other full-time dealers will have similar stocks.
Taking down a restorable bike today is simply a method of cash generation. The condition and the "completeness" of the bits and pieces often offered on fleabay, very often indicates that a perfectly working bike was broken. Flogging it off in bits generates more cash than selling it in one lump, simple as that. And simply immoral imho! I, for one, will not support any of the vendors dealing in this manner, even if he/she has the last fuckin' available thingamijig on the planet.
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Laverdalothar
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I rebuilt 2 bikes in my life to full glory and all parts were readily available from bikes that had an accident or where owners exchanged original parts against aftermarket parts. Some even were brand new comming from dealers that took the risk of getting them reproduced (complete exhaust systhem, Lucas switches, rubber parts etc.). Bike was the most expensive 750 besides the SFC's when I sold it, but I got any cent ever invested back. What's often forgotten is that these bikes are oldtimers and their prices only get up...
If you would look into the known dealers spares, you would be massively surprised what is available. Brand new parts from the factory... Have you ever been at OCT? Impressive...
If you would look into the known dealers spares, you would be massively surprised what is available. Brand new parts from the factory... Have you ever been at OCT? Impressive...
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3patC
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The problem with OCT may be that the parts they have are not visible to the Laverda community worldwide. I have never bought a thing from them. If I could see what they had I most likely would have bought many items especially as they seem to have affordable prices.
3patC said:
Pat,
They simply have far too much to list. Displaying everything to the world would be far too time-consuming. Far easier to drop them a line with your inquiry.
English, as well as french, italian and german spoken, and nobody bites!
piet
Dellortoman
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sfcpiet said:
Geez, that makes it a bit hard - having to write in 4 languages
Melle
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sfcpiet said:
The Dutch Laverda club visited OCT on a trip. Some pictures
Only a very small part of the stock!
Regards, Melle
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3patC
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Yes I'm going to have to give them a whirl I think but there is a good reason why shops have window displays and firms have catalogues. It attracts people wanting to buy things. Ebay is a supercharged version of this and when Malcolm shoves a few items on there the world can see it.
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poffer
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I think it's about time the spares posts are moved to a new thread......this thread is about new chromed steel silencers.
Would love to see an "OCT parts" thread, as I would love to comment....but not here :-X
Pete
Would love to see an "OCT parts" thread, as I would love to comment....but not here :-X
Pete
Jotally
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There is an OCT thread already ?
http://www.laverdaforum.com/forum/index.php?topic=84689.0
http://www.laverdaforum.com/forum/index.php?topic=84689.0
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poffer
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Then why are some people posting stuff about OCT in a thread about mufflers.....don't the posters understand English?
(Just in case: "Dann Warum sind manche Menschen Entsendung stuff about OCT in einem Thread ?ber Schalld?mpfer ..... nicht die Plakate Englisch verstehen?" )
