Out and About on your Laverda.No bull,Just photos

Alzero said:
Would Redax build me a replica and could I register it in the EU?
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No, but...

You can't start from scratch, ie, a bunch of pipes and welding equipment. You'd need a donor bike or frame that has been registered (doesn't matter much where, actually) and documents to prove it, prior to any of the modern emmission regulations. Reckon in Scandinavia, Belgium or Netherlands you could get away with just about any mod one could imagine, things would be slightly more difficult in Germany, but not impossible. I understand it is extremely difficult to get any modded classic approved for registration in Spain.

Although there are blanket requirements for new vehicles, or vehicles that are registered for the first time irrespective of manufacture date, each country retains its own rules regarding older, previously registered vehicles.

piet
 
In Norway any bike being registered for the first time here must get the once over by the road authorities who know virtually nothing of older bikes, but they want/need to cross off on their check sheet laptop for every point on the list for CE marks or numbers for everything from mufflers to tail reflectors, and it can be extremely frustrating as none of them wants to be the one to sign off on it. It comes under the country's EU road system compliance. That can only happen after the exorbitant import duty on the approved estimated value of the bike is paid to the king.
 
Paul Marx said:
As Piet underlines, there's no such thing as EU registration.
Paul
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Yes and no, Paul

All vehicles issued with a european compliance certificate (since early 2000s) can be registered in any EU country without issues. Pre-ECC vehicles fall under national regulations.

Fun fact; mate Jürgen has 2 Zane 750s, one a later ECC bike, the older with "national" approval. Basically identical bikes, but the "national" bike will not pass TÜV approval if the shorter ECC rear guard is fitted! The ECC bike does. So, basically 2 rule books now.

piet
 
UK is very relaxed- I’ve never had a vehicle inspection on first registration ( done 3 recently) just photos of all sides, engine and frame number and an enclosing letter, they seem more interested in any tax that might be payable. It helps if you have a marque specialist to back you up, many owners club have a bloke who can knock you up some “ proof”. You can build one from scratch but will probably get issued with a Q plate which is then on it forever, you can’t even put a personal plate on afterwards . Swapping frame numbers from a donor bike to a bespoke frame/ complete bike is also acceptable, again never needed an inspection.
 
sfcpiet said:
No, but...

You can't start from scratch, ie, a bunch of pipes and welding equipment. You'd need a donor bike or frame that has been registered (doesn't matter much where, actually) and documents to prove it, prior to any of the modern emmission regulations. Reckon in Scandinavia, Belgium or Netherlands you could get away with just about any mod one could imagine, things would be slightly more difficult in Germany, but not impossible. I understand it is extremely difficult to get any modded classic approved for registration in Spain.

Although there are blanket requirements for new vehicles, or vehicles that are registered for the first time irrespective of manufacture date, each country retains its own rules regarding older, previously registered vehicles.

piet
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Thanks, this is exactly what I needed to know for planning purposes, BTW, I was using the term EU registration as a sort of shorthand for”registration in an EU country”. I know there is no actual EU system for cars, bike or drivers.
 
Alzero said:
Would Redax build me a replica and could I register it in the EU?
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What were you referring to with 'replica' Alzero?

When it came time to register the SFQ I was pretty nervous that noone would give it a roadworthy (the safety check that is obligatory before registration will be issued) because it is so modified. And even if I got the roadworthy I was worried I'd then have to run it 'over the pits' at the official rego depot where there is the risk of the overly zealous official. I needn't have worried - the mechanic who issued the RWC gave it a glowing report - he even rode it! - and said it was the nicest Laverda he'd ridden (seemed to know a bit about them).

At the end of the day the inspector's job is to (as another inspector once said to me when I asked about rego and mods) 'it's not my job to know what a 1974 Laverda looks like - it's my job to make sure it's safe to be ridden on public roads'.

I could have been forced to produce an engineer's report - would have passed, but a whole lot more hassle and money.

I just read that Queensland is about to change their regs on 'repairable write-offs', where a car (eg) may have had a stack where the airbags and seat belts have 'activated'. Other states are far stricter on this and people have been registering in Qld then moving interstate. The repairs will need to be inspected and approved by officials, as in other states - where it is a BIG hassle.

Motorcycles are written off if they are assessed for insuranc e purposes and ANY part of the frame breaks in an accident (like an alu tang for a muffler). Frame straightening is absolutely out and an excellent frame joint here in Victoria closed about 10+ years ago as a result. There's still a very experienced repairer in Qld who does the job - Red no doubt uses him. I have min\or checks and repairs to be done on the original matching-number frame for my SF! - I'll get CK to transport it up there some time soon.
 
Well, I am not a Metallurgist, a Material Scientist or a Structural Engineer and I doubt most welders are as well. Just guessing but I think it's the shape that gives Alloy beam frames their strength and just a crease or divot would have a huge effect. A cousin of mine wrote off a late model Fireblade in a sub 60kph low side, it snapped its steering head off when it slid over a typical 100mm high gutter. They are strong enough to take loads at massive speeds on bumpy roads but slow speed impacts are too much.
 
Vince said:
Well, I am not a Metallurgist, a Material Scientist or a Structural Engineer and I doubt most welders are as well. Just guessing but I think it's the shape that gives Alloy beam frames their strength and just a crease or divot would have a huge effect. A cousin of mine wrote off a late model Fireblade in a sub 60kph low side, it snapped its steering head off when it slid over a typical 100mm high gutter. They are strong enough to take loads at massive speeds on bumpy roads but slow speed impacts are too much.
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Try telling that to all the mob racing alloy beam frame track bikes. High-sided, flipped, lowsided, centre punched, whatever. Bash it straight, tweak it straight and all good until next time.
 
In my GMD Computrack LA days I fixed dozens of alloy beam frames using a Motomaster frame jig and hydraulic portapowers. If it was just correcting slight factory misalignment we did it cold, but for crash damage they needed to be annealed to move them enough. There was no way to heat treat them afterwards and the second crash, these were mostly racebikes, invariably resulted in larger misalignment. But to the best of my knowledge we never had a failure. Dented beam frames needed to be plated and because of that they were mostly just junked since they were truly ugly after.
 
It amazes me to see a few Moto GP bikes cartwheeling to oblivion, I might try another controversial comment. How the hell do they know all that bashing on the crash and reassembly results in a straight frame, I cannot see them string-lining in the 30 minutes between sessions. Big speeds and structural failers,Alzero what about creases, fingers crossed. Computrack? Do major race teams have them? That BTW that wasn't a question re Computrack. They started in Sydney about 25ish years back, BTW I actually found a place in Sydney that has one now, I had my 3c measured about 15 years back in Cessnock, and till recently Sydney hasn't had it available for decades. Plus apparently an Eddy Current Dyno with its own wind tunnel for Ram Air.
 
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Give it a google, there is lots there. Kent of the Atlanta shop has been in business for decades, ditto Peter in Boston. The GMD stands for Greg McDonald of Sydney Australia, the man who developed and marketed the system.
 
Vince said:
I might try another controversial comment.
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Nothing controversial Vince. Just pointing out the diff between the two realities of people allowed to be responsible for their own discretion and those subject to beurocrats. In my classic racing "down was out" meaning you weren't allowed to pick up your bike and continue, as is allowed in GP, EWC etc. Any bike been dropped had to re-scrutineer (and rider get clearance from ambos).
 
Another shakedown on the beast. Braved the forecast and paid the price, riding through a storm cell with torrential rain and scary side winds on very wet roads. Never fully dried out but got to have some serious fun once off the South Gippy Hwy. Bike was flawless. But clean and shiny now it ain’t! Confidence rising. Not sure my pic will load. Fuk all signal down here at Walkerville.
 

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