Paris terrorist attacks

If the French and the English had listened to a biker, that of T.E.Lawrence instead of excluding him from Versailles, and carving up the Midddle East into made up countries, crossing tribal lands again ,as in Africa, we should not have been in this sad mess.I think Syria is the biggest tragedy of all.
 
Paddy said:
I don't want to belittle what happened in Paris but  in the big scheme of things terrorism is actually the least of our worries. In my opinion 95% of what the press spew out we simply don't need to know. :D
Enjoy life mate and don't let the bastards get you down  8)

:o Bloody hell Paddy, not one Ducati reference!

But I loved your post. So many correct and pertinent points.

In the early eighties (Edit; Sorry, it was the early 90's) I lived with a girl who wrote a thesis on Middle Easter Politics.

I remember her words so clearly: She said, well my hornbag hunk who makes love to me like a modern day Casanova (OK, that's incorrectly quoted)

"The day The West gets embroiled in Middle Eastern politics and wars, which have been in place for thousands of years, is the day the whole world will regret."
 
Laverdalothar, Paddy and Chrisk,

Agree with your posts 100%. I studied terrorism in the Middle East years ago and concluded that the most important member of a terrorist group is the media.

Bottler
 
Bottler said:
Laverdalothar, Paddy and Chrisk,

Agree with your posts 100%. I studied terrorism in the Middle East years ago and concluded that the most important member of a terrorist group is the media.

Bottler

Are you Richard that bought my 81 Jota?
No you are not, just read your previous posts.
 
So much power in one lone hand,The Sydney Imbecile couldn't even get the flag right but had the world by the ear for a day.Every delusional hiding under a rock wannabe now can do the same,a hell of a lot who claim its for there distorted view of there religion converted a fortnight before.Typically anyone with the mental issues who go this way usually has everyone they know looking the other way or making excuses till the shit hits the fan,human nature.I have no idea how to counter this but sure as hell the world needs to find a way to either find  divert or contain these people,from any background.Looks like an even uglier world coming down the pike.
 
Bottler said:
Chris

I got my bike from Jim Eade in 2004, it is #6278, but has an Aussie compliance plate of 1/1979 so I figure it had to have been built in 78.

Bottler

#6279 is in QLD

 
Red,

You did the valves etc on 6278 in 2010. Steve B sent it to you as it had almost no compression in any of the cylinders. He lives a couple of miles from me in Bungendore. Do you know the year of manufacture of #6279?
 
I found that the recent words of Salman Rushdie chimed exactly with my feelings...

"Religion, a medieval form of unreason, when combined with modern weaponry, becomes a real threat to our freedoms. This religious totalitarianism has caused a deadly mutation in the heart of Islam and we see the tragic consequences in Paris today. I stand with Charlie Hebdo, as we all must, to defend the art of satire, which has always been a force for liberty and against tyranny, dishonesty and stupidity. ?Respect for religion? has become a code phrase meaning ?fear of religion.? Religions, like all other ideas, deserve criticism, satire and, yes, our fearless disrespect".
 
These people are simply scum, but these ones public about it, there are scum all over the place all of the time, they are just less visible, I had an altercation with a pikey in a very smart pickup, who ventured onto my property a few days a go, he drove up my 140 metre drive, and off the end of it onto the grass, turned his pickup, got stuck, needed 4X4 to get off, and all the time his eyes are sweeping around left to right, I stopped him half way back down the drive, by standing in his exit route, he started to tell me about "tarmac left over"  and "can do a "very cheap, very good job" etc, but I stopped him , pointed out that he was on private property and asked him (Politely) to leave, he baulked a bit, so I reminded him that I had not invited him onto my property and would he please leave, he still continued to sprout but was getting aggressive, I then pointed out to him that I felt he would react differently if I were to venture onto his property, and he said something like "I wouldn't be like that if you were trying to do me a favour" and then (as he was getting increasingly aggressive) I said to him, "look mate just FUCK OFF", he closed his cab window and did so, but after that you just wonder if he will return when I am out and torch the place. I wish I was allowed to inflict damage to him to prevent escape (kneecap him and cable tie his neck to the bull bar?) so that he can then be detained, interrogated by any one who wants (tax man, police, DHSS?) and then deported to a island offshore somewhere which has similar people, no services and no water.

One particularly nasty thing about this atrocious Paris terrorist attack is the maiming of a police man, who then  pleads for his life, and is slotted in the head whilst lying crippled on the pavement, how cowardly is that? and then it transpires that man was also a Moslem, so what punishment comes out of the Koran for that????? lets see what Sharia law can meter out to him!
CLEM
 
What racks me off is the fact these aerse holes cam out of prison and were radicalised
at their local mosque......why it still standing.

I compare in a small way to the Irish problems....so many nice Irish and apparently only
a few IRA.

I remember the Birmingham Mosques cheering for the 911 and the London bombings sorry
the answer lies with the billions of "good" muslims to sort it bloody out not just push it
under the carpet by saying it is just few.

I have friends in Paris and the police woman was shot next to Gregs office. They have been told
not to go anywhere and he says he has never seen so many armed police.

The muslims preach peace and love yeah beheading come under that.

Andy

PS And I am not sorry for rant
 
Vince said:
...I have no idea how to counter this but sure as hell the world needs to find a way to either find  divert or contain these people,from any background.Looks like an even uglier world coming down the pike.

I haven't an answer, too, else than to really start early to show young people positive alternatives. My son also had/has a heart for weapons, likes shooter games, sometimes has some very radical ideas (mainly to punish idiots like the two in france luckily). However, we have a very good relationship and as long as you treat his concerns respectfully and explain alternatives how to handle these situations without violence, he feels respected and agrees to these points. I think that in the modern world where people have online relationships over years without having seen each other rather than to go out and find someone locally, where whatsApp replaces personal or phone calls, where anonymity is preferred over personal meetings and relation ships, we leave this big door wide open at these young people for those sole catchers.

We need positive alternatives in the community so young people find their places as a positive part of the social group. This does not solve it completely, but it reduces the number of potential victims for those hate preachers.

These guys in Paris as Clem said shot a moslem policeman (I did not know that he was), which - in their eyes - was also the right thing to do, as this moslem in their eyes was an infidel, too, as he was protecting infidels... weird, but logical in their kind of world...

Andy: it's not about saying its just a few, my point is that you can't blame 99,99% of the moslems for 0,01% of them being idiots. I would also never say that all northern irish people are terrorists. I do say though that the people of the IRA are. Or in fact the RAF (not Royal Airforce, I mean the Rote Armee Fraktion, terrorists in Germany in the 60/70's). They were just maybe 30 people out of 65 Million. Nobody would have said that all Germans are terrorists at that time, right? Or all Students are (as most of the leaders of the Rote Arme Fraktion were students...). That is an important difference I would say.
 
The good thing is that we all agree. When you shit in your nest you're in deep shit.

Has anyone ever noticed what John Wayne and Clint Eastwood used to get up to in their films? They blew people away, dozens of them, hundreds in total. All for fun of course because they were the good guys and it was ok for them to murder anyone they chose. But have you ever wondered how this looks to those who don't understand the context the same way we do? Hollywood heroes are murderous bastards. James Bond has a license to kill doesn't he? On screen we don't care because our film and TV heroes are defending our way of life by blowing away the bad guys. So is killing people bad or is it only ok if we agree with it? Between religion and Hollywood we're in for a lot of trouble me thinks.
 
You would think that as people got older they would give up believing in imaginary friends. Doesn't seem to be the case with some folk though.
 
silvio, I agree we agree  :D

And yes, killing the bad ones doesn't make killing good. However, in very certain circumstances, it is unfortunately all you can do (in war situations where you defend your beloved etc. or in Syria where IS kills people and they get bombed to protect the kurdish people etc.).

@Davo: am sporadically watching a TV-show called "Catfish", which is around people that fall in love with other people online (Facebook mainly), but those others use a faked profile with wrong names, wrong pictures etc.. Nothing is real there mostly, still these people do talk about getting married, having children together and plan their whole life already around this fake profile partner...  :o scary...

My younger son also had a lot of online "friends". He chatted a lot with a girl that lives over 100Km away from us. she said she wanted to visit him. luckily I heard that and we had a chat about what could be the background, as I was a bit wondering if a 14 year old girl will really be allowed to travel 100Km by train alone just to see him for 2 hours... I offered to back him up by keeping myself in the background until her train arrives and I see everything is OK and then just leave them alone for privacy reasons. He thankfully agreed to that, but canceled the meeting 2-3 days later before it actually happened.

It is as said our task as parents to keep an eye on them, make them aware of all the traps they could fall into and that there are bad people around without scaring them completely. My wife always says: "as long as they talk to us before they make a potentially  faulty decision, we have done our job as parents quite good I'd say." I feel she's right. But we are in a lucky situation these days, she only works 20 hours a week and is there every day for them. I sometimes work from home so that I also can have a chat during the day with them. And we always have breakfast together, on weekends even lunch and sometimes even dinner. best place to talk to your family I feel...
 
Laverdalothar said:
folks, although I agree this is a motorbike forum, I think we have had less important things also discussed widely here, so why not terrorism?

What we should stay away from though is to make a religion responsible for the acting of people. The religion is abused to justify terror just like in Germany in the 70's, political interests where abused to terrorize a whole country.

There is absolutely no excuse or justification for terrorism. Period.

But: not every moslem is an islamist, not even 1% of the moslems in Germany are radical islamists. To name it: we have around 5 million moslems (out of roughly 93 million people living in Germany) over here, roughly 230 of them are known to have a potential for violence. Add another 100% to that for the unknown and you reach 430. This is one out of 12.000 moslems is a radical islamist.

Though 2 people as in France seem to be enough to drive the whole world nuts, it is still by far a minority within the moslem society in Germany. Most moslem I know are shocked as we are and don't agree with the actions islamist do in the name of Allah. Many of those radical islamists where in a finding phase and struggled to find their place in society. they were unsatisfied with their lives and found a kind of family-feeling when they got in touch with those who radicalized them by brainwashing them. They felt loved and cared about, what many of them were missing (or at least they thought they were), which made it easy for those sole catchers to attract their attention. History shows that you can make people do anything you want if you make them feel part of a group, build up a concept of the enemy and make them believe they only defend the groups interest. And that is not happening with the islam alone. Seeing that many young people do not have places to meet to be part of a group, I can understand how attractive it is for those to be part of a group that meets in a church room. People do feel good about clear rules and that is what the islamists give them. If they follow the rules, they get a lot of positive feedback etc. - very easy with young people. Point is, that there are no alternatives for young people currently in many places...

It is really a shame that terrorists have so much power that they split societies. Don't let that continue, please!!

Am?n.
 
@ Lothar - I have no real problem with people talking to their god. I do have concerns when the tell me their god is talking to them.
 
I'm definitely 100% with Clem and Andy.
We are supposed to live in a civilised world now, not the bloody Middle ages!
Moslems worldwide (albeit only the bad 1%) are trying to make the free world think their way by trying to impose Sharia law everywhere in their domain and ours.
Over 100 Christian schoolgirls kidnapped in Northern Nigeria. 26 schoolchildren killed by the Taliban in Pakistan. Teachers abducted and beheaded there. A bus stopped in Kenya and then the Christians segregated and murdered. Gruesome beheadings of Christian hostages in Syria. Are the press making this up? No they aren't, and the vast majority of crimes go unreported.
I had to laugh at the post about Americans killing Americans. Surely the vast majority of these killing are all gang/drug/prostitute related? Not a great loss then to the vast peace loving majority in the States IMHO.
We are so tolerant in the West that before too long it will be too late to do anything about it!



 
DoC! said:
Over 100 Christian schoolgirls kidnapped in Northern Nigeria. 26 schoolchildren killed by the Taliban in Pakistan. Teachers abducted and beheaded there. A bus stopped in Kenya and then the Christians segregated and murdered. Gruesome beheadings of Christian hostages in Syria. Are the press making this up? No they aren't, and the vast majority of crimes go unreported.

actually, over here yes, they do report on these crimes.

I think it is time the moslem community not only SAYS they disagree with this but also change something on their side and stand up against islamism. It was with split emotions that the Paris Imam that right after the attack said this is against Islam and against free press was the same Imam that took the magazine to court 2 or 3 years ago. If he changed his mind - great! Hopefully more do so and articulate that. If this was just to avoid being connected to the action itself - well...
 
Laverdalothar said:
actually, over here yes, they do report on these crimes.

I think it is time the moslem community not only SAYS they disagree with this but also change something on their side and stand up against islamism. It was with split emotions that the Paris Imam that right after the attack said this is against Islam and against free press was the same Imam that took the magazine to court 2 or 3 years ago. If he changed his mind - great! Hopefully more do so and articulate that. If this was just to avoid being connected to the action itself - well...

A free press does not mean they are free to vilify people on the basis of race, religion, colour etc. Disgust with what the terrorists have done does not necessarily infer support for the magazine's philosophy or printed articles.
 
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