Paris terrorist attacks

As I read it, if moderate muslims speak up or make a stand they would be denounced (or worse) as not being 'muslim enough'.
The radicals believe their 'interpretation' of the koran is the true way and all others are false.
Any muslim who does not agree becomes the infidel too.
 
Davo said:
They are mixed figures.
Homicides  0.52 Switzerland  2.83 USA
Suicide      3.15                  6.30
Others        0.17                  0.4        = accidents or unknown reason
Total          3.84                  10.30      figures for 2011 USA and across multiple years for Switzerland

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate
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thanks - and someone mentioned Switzerland had more guns per population than USA. Wrong.USA is still leading with 90 guns per 100 citizens (which includes Babies BTW...), Switzerland however is on place 4 with 45/100. Canada on place 12, Germany on place 14. See:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_guns_per_capita_by_country

BTW Ron: you started this part of the discussion yourself:

'71 SF said:
Maintaining the same direction with the blinders on we will soon find one with the same fate. Pity for those that live in countries that don't have laws that allow the ownership or possession of a well crafted firearm. In the US those that have a CCP, and that have been in similar situations, have at least had a fighting chance with most cases ending the situation before it became a massacre. The zealots have no problem getting their weapons and using them, while pacifism leads to an earlier than expected demise.
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I just argued that this wouldn't prevent any terrorist attack and tried to proof my point. ;)
 
Grant said:
As I read it, if moderate muslims speak up or make a stand they would be denounced (or worse) as not being 'muslim enough'.
The radicals believe their 'interpretation' of the koran is the true way and all others are false.
Any muslim who does not agree becomes the infidel too.
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That's exactly it
 
The fact is on the English news today we see " Je suis Charlie " rallies in Britain, France ,  Germany, Argentina, Russia, Egypt and so on....but what about Saudi or Pakistan ? to name but 2. North Africa ?. This was an opportunity for true Muslims to get out and show solidarity with other faiths against terrorism, an opportunity for the man in the street but where were they ?
 
they have no TV, so they did not know...  :o

just kidding...

you are right, however, I think they do fear to get attacked more than we do. See that in Afghanistan and other areas, there is a suicide bomber almost every day. Even elections are not free of these terrorist acts. I am not sure if I wouldn't be to fearful to go out to a demonstration for freedom of speech if I would live in these countries...  :-[

I am absolutely no military friendly guy, but I fear that cancer like the IS or Al Qaida need a sharp knife to be cut out of our world unfortunately...
 
Fox News?  My God, no wonder people are confused- this from one of their commentators:

An American terrorism commentator speaking on Fox News has been forced to apologise for describing Birmingham as a "Muslim-only city" where non-Muslims "don't go in".

Steven Emerson told the channel that in London "Muslim religious police" beat "anyone who doesn't dress according to Muslim, religious Muslim attire".

He later issued an apology for his "terrible error".
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"describing Birmingham as a "Muslim-only city" where non-Muslims "don't go in"."

And of course white Americans roam freely in black areas of their city's.  :D
 
We have war leftowers in guns , all shapes and sizes majoriti of wich is cept on "black" and wery litlle crimes with those guns . In times of Yugoslavia we hed strong military and police , any extremisam was not toleratet at all .
Somewhere around 1995 there was some islamist terorist atack ( they came from arabic countries and tryed to blow out something in Rijeka) becouse Croatia was friend with USA or USA politics . They was located on time and before they menage to detonate this bomb police cilled them in midlle of day on street full of normal citizens , nobady was hurt except them , no problem with them since .
On other hand we have prity big population of Bosnian muslims living here , no problem at all with them, they are 100% adopted but nobady is running with burka araund .

On other hand i cosder my self roman catholic , not being religious but more thing of tradition and family heritage  . Have seen few covers from this Charlie magasine and i do not aprowe what they are doing showing Jesus , Pope or Cardinals as they do .
I think this is "beyonde good taste" .

There was one jurnalist  in those newspaper who made joke about Sarkosy son and judaisam , and he lost job imidiatly .

Jokes yes , fredom of speech yes , but in maners and with good taste .

Puting on cover Jeseus who is fucking his father in arse  and triangle with all seeing aye is in his asshole , this can insult many and is beyond good taste and not funny at all  .
 
Romeo.D said:
On other hand i cosder my self roman catholic , not being religious but more thing of tradition and family heritage  . Have seen few covers from this Charlie magasine and i do not aprowe what they are doing showing Jesus , Pope or Cardinals as they do .
I think this is "beyonde good taste" .

There was one jurnalist  in those newspaper who made joke about Sarkosy son and judaisam , and he lost job imidiatly .

Jokes yes , fredom of speech yes , but in maners and with good taste .

Puting on cover Jeseus who is fucking his father in arse  and triangle with all seeing aye is in his asshole , this can insult many and is beyond good taste and not funny at all  .
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I 300% agree with you, Romeo. However, bad taste is also no reason for killing people.

Although on some designers I get tempted, too...  :o

;)
 
Laverdalothar said:
I 300% agree with you, Romeo. However, bad taste is also no reason for killing people.

Although on some designers I get tempted, too...  :o

;)
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I am against killing too , i do not want to aprowe what they did .

Just telling that this what those newspaers are doing in not good too. Speeking of jurnalist , out of my expirience in my coutry they are more or less all liers .
If you give them interview they are often writing completly difrent , have hed this few time so after that only with autorisation , this das not meke them happy  :D.
 
Thats the test,funnily enough a French dood,Voltaire I think.I hate what you say but will defend your right to say it.
 
Laverdalothar said:
Large gaps between the poor and the wealthy are the most observed reason for crimes. People who do not have much can win more than they can loose. That is why a social system that protects the poor and that is financed by the rich is so important to bring down crime and violence.

That is also the reason why the EU is so important to stabilize Europe and that is why Germany is paying so much into that fund that helps Greece, Spain, Italy and other countries that suffer currently: simply to prevent de-stabilization which could lead to another war.
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pride and greed are the main reasons for crime not the wealth gap, that is an excuse that insults every single poor person who is not a criminal, ie, the vast majority of them. there are more than enough criminals who do not come from the 'poor', eg bankers who swindle, steal, fix rates etc, of whom not one has been even tried for the crimes committed let alone sent to prison.
the true purpose of any social system is to help those who cannot help themselves. you make it sound like a tax on the 'rich' (please define rich). the poor don't need protecting, they need opportunity, a commodity denied them by the political, intellectual and business elite who view them as an undesirable inconvenience.

the real reason germany (and others) have put so much money into greece, spain, italy and others is to ensure there won't be a popular revolution which would bring down the established political class and it's allies - greece came within a gnats ball hair of this
 
Grant said:
As I read it, if moderate muslims speak up or make a stand they would be denounced (or worse) as not being 'muslim enough'.
The radicals believe their 'interpretation' of the koran is the true way and all others are false.
Any muslim who does not agree becomes the infidel too.
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the whole philosophy of islam is driven by intimidation and fear and wherever you find it it was brought by the sword
 
just a thought, but some 17 people are killed in paris by three or four militant muslims and a million and a half people march in protest against that, and some 2000 plus people are butchered by boko haram in nigeria and ... nobody even notices

we live on a truly stuffed up planet
 
henry said:
just a thought, but some 17 people are killed in paris by three or four militant muslims and a million and a half people march in protest against that, and some 2000 plus people are butchered by boko haram in nigeria and ... nobody even notices

we live on a truly stuffed up planet
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Yeah, we did notice that, Henry, honest; however, it's a long way for 1.5 million people to march and still be home for tea.. :D :D
 
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