points
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Hi all, this is my first message, I'm a fresh 750SF '71 owner.
Unfortunately my purchase is not running and the restoration is harder than expected.
Among several reasons, there are the points and they have to be replaced for sure. The original bosch code is 1 237 013 013, but it seems no longer available and reading in this forum someone adapted the Beattle VW.
Now my question: researching for first part of the code is not a matter: 1 237 013 matchs several points, the hard is the last 013... it seems 036 could be suitable, isnt' it?
Do you have any advice?
Thanks
Unfortunately my purchase is not running and the restoration is harder than expected.
Among several reasons, there are the points and they have to be replaced for sure. The original bosch code is 1 237 013 013, but it seems no longer available and reading in this forum someone adapted the Beattle VW.
Now my question: researching for first part of the code is not a matter: 1 237 013 matchs several points, the hard is the last 013... it seems 036 could be suitable, isnt' it?
Do you have any advice?
Thanks
Tippie
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I don't know about the part numbers for replacements but it is fairly unusual the they cannot be resurrected by dismantling and redressing on an oil stone. As long as the surfaces are pretty well flat where they meet, the odd small pit hole is no problem. You will get inundated with advice to fit electronic but the points still do the job for plenty of owners (with Paul Marx at the vanguard).Love..rda said:
Not a van.
750s
I had a quick look and using that Bosch number in Google turned up plenty of equivalents. They're not expensive so I'd buy a set resembling the original set up and try.
Laverda Paradies sell some that are a straight swap apart from the connection.
I bought about 10 sets of original Bosch points a long time ago and that'll keep me going for the rest of my life.
Paul
750s
I had a quick look and using that Bosch number in Google turned up plenty of equivalents. They're not expensive so I'd buy a set resembling the original set up and try.
Laverda Paradies sell some that are a straight swap apart from the connection.
I bought about 10 sets of original Bosch points a long time ago and that'll keep me going for the rest of my life.
Paul
Well, we have to admit, people who chats about vintage motorcycles says: "Yeah, in the past motors was reliable because no electronic, just a screwdriver and hairpin was enough..." then they buy a vintage motorcycle and the first thing they do is to rig an electronic device up saying: "Yeah now is much more reliable than it was..." 
I have other motorcycles more or less the same era, but this I have to admit is a bit hard, yes, my inexperience has a big role, but I hope to come out...
I'll follow your advice and I will start to re-shape these. I will keep you informed about my progresses if it is a plesure for you.
With love..
I have other motorcycles more or less the same era, but this I have to admit is a bit hard, yes, my inexperience has a big role, but I hope to come out...
I'll follow your advice and I will start to re-shape these. I will keep you informed about my progresses if it is a plesure for you.
With love..
helicopterjim
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Love..rda said:Well, we have to admit, people who chats about vintage motorcycles says: "Yeah, in the past motors was reliable because no electronic, just a screwdriver and hairpin was enough..." then they buy a vintage motorcycle and the first thing they do is to rig an electronic device up saying: "Yeah now is much more reliable than it was..."
I have other motorcycles more or less the same era, but this I have to admit is a bit hard, yes, my inexperience has a big role, but I hope to come out...
I'll follow your advice and I will start to re-shape these. I will keep you informed about my progresses if it is a plesure for you.
With love..
Paul Marx will like you.
Jim
Love..rda said:Well, we have to admit, people who chats about vintage motorcycles says: "Yeah, in the past motors was reliable because no electronic, just a screwdriver and hairpin was enough..." then they buy a vintage motorcycle and the first thing they do is to rig an electronic device up saying: "Yeah now is much more reliable than it was..."
I have other motorcycles more or less the same era, but this I have to admit is a bit hard, yes, my inexperience has a big role, but I hope to come out...
I'll follow your advice and I will start to re-shape these. I will keep you informed about my progresses if it is a plesure for you.
With love..
It is a lot worse than that.
They put electronic ignition on the bikes, say that they're a lot more reliable and then don't ride them.
Paul
Shajota
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Ah Paul, Is "they" suggesting a majority of owners, some other statistical percentage or perhaps just that unspoken of mob of collector bastards? >Paul Marx said:
Perhaps the following wording may apply to some of "they"also?:-
They keep points on their bikes, say that they are more reliable, original and easier to fix and then don?t ride them!!
Anyway, just stirrin' I?m sure there are a lot of bikes in both cases, some probably even very shiny!!!!
Just for interest and to suggest another angle:- I was talking to an old fella that lives round the corner the other day. He is part of the local car restorers club and one of his is a ?49 Ford V8 Ute in beautiful condition. A little while ago he was in the process of putting in an electronic ignition. The ignition was a plug and play item direct from the US which fitted unobtrusively in the distributer. He said it was a very common mod in the US on these V8s as it made them run much smoother, cleaner and was much more mechanically sympathetic. I know, not the same as the twin but interesting non the less. Triple owners would well know the mechanical sympathy plainly evident by installing an updated electronic ignition. Yes, not changing points but a tick for updated technology.
BTW, shed time last night was spent changing a condenser when I noticed a bit more arcing on one side then I would like. (Currently chasing a poor idle so need to check the timing etc anyway - bloody points
)
Laverda SF
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You can use air cooled VW Bosch 1600cc Beetle Points - Granted they mount but with a difference- You have the option to either use the main post or eliminate it - Look at them points ;o)
I elected to keep the main Breganzie post stud and drill out brass on the VW Points to mount it - Whatever suits your fancy.
In other words I kept the 750 Breganzie Distributor 750 base plate stock.
Conclusion - A very accurate point conversion up to 8000 rpm ;o)
Suggest Echlin or Blue Streak Points for a 1600cc Air Cooled 4 Cyl VW engine.
I prefer points, with our old Breganzies, on the road over DMC Electronics as you can FIX Points with a feeler gauge and 400 grit sand paper in minutes, with a little spit, and kept on trucking ;o)
One thing about Breganzies is always drill a 1/8th inch drain hole in the bottom of the distributor cap.
I elected to keep the main Breganzie post stud and drill out brass on the VW Points to mount it - Whatever suits your fancy.
In other words I kept the 750 Breganzie Distributor 750 base plate stock.
Conclusion - A very accurate point conversion up to 8000 rpm ;o)
Suggest Echlin or Blue Streak Points for a 1600cc Air Cooled 4 Cyl VW engine.
I prefer points, with our old Breganzies, on the road over DMC Electronics as you can FIX Points with a feeler gauge and 400 grit sand paper in minutes, with a little spit, and kept on trucking ;o)
One thing about Breganzies is always drill a 1/8th inch drain hole in the bottom of the distributor cap.
Shajota said:Ah Paul, Is "they" suggesting a majority of owners, some other statistical percentage or perhaps just that unspoken of mob of collector bastards? >
Perhaps the following wording may apply to some of "they"also?:-
They keep points on their bikes, say that they are more reliable, original and easier to fix and then don?t ride them!!
Anyway, just stirrin' I?m sure there are a lot of bikes in both cases, some probably even very shiny!!!!
Just for interest and to suggest another angle:- I was talking to an old fella that lives round the corner the other day. He is part of the local car restorers club and one of his is a ?49 Ford V8 Ute in beautiful condition. A little while ago he was in the process of putting in an electronic ignition. The ignition was a plug and play item direct from the US which fitted unobtrusively in the distributer. He said it was a very common mod in the US on these V8s as it made them run much smoother, cleaner and was much more mechanically sympathetic. I know, not the same as the twin but interesting non the less. Triple owners would well know the mechanical sympathy plainly evident by installing an updated electronic ignition. Yes, not changing points but a tick for updated technology.
BTW, shed time last night was spent changing a condenser when I noticed a bit more arcing on one side then I would like. (Currently chasing a poor idle so need to check the timing etc anyway - bloody points
The majority of....then.
Paul