Restored Jota 120 on eBay - San Francisco

Tippie said:
From a museum to a collector, with a price that means for sale to another collector. Not much chance it will be crossing any Kalang Rivers, it'll be sitting in the vault under a sheet along with the paintings and other collected investment artefacts.
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A great bike to own, ticks all the boxes subject to the "rebuild". The sort of bike I'd buy with a bulletproof motor and make a point of taking it to the Kalang River :D

Collectors selling to collectors, yes. The pool of potential collectors that even know what PL means, rapidly diminishing.

Sell sooner than later, as evidenced by this particular example being now on the market.
 
Can anyone explain what harm is done by a bike in apparently like-new condition selling for an extremely high price? If this machine goes straight to a museum or never gets ridden, so what? It sets a new benchmark for all the rest of the bikes out there helping ever other owner in the world, it encourages others to restore other bikes thus helping to maintain the supply of parts we all need and it may just help promote the knowledge of Laverda bikes among others who thought only bevel drive Ducatis had any value.

As for the disparaging remarks about the supposed quality of the work performed wasn’t it done by the very same Laverda Museum that was raved about just a month or two ago and hailed as the pinnacle of all things Laverda? Now all of a sudden they are doing spray can overhauls? And at that asking price, you can be sure that the seller can document its ownership history……
 
Were did you read any comments about poor work done? My bike came with those horrible seamed mufflers and from what I just read that was the only complaint. Historically people have bought clean tidy looking bikes that end up costing thousands to get them going as well as they look. That to me is the jist of most of the comments, bikes that cost a lot should have documented engine rebuilds or your looking for future expenses if you want a rider and not just a looker. The prices of bikes that have been through THAT Oz shed cost way more than ones that haven't locally, and that makes perfect sense to me. BTW I don't care how the market goes, I don't sell bikes, luckily I own what I want already. And anyway it's just some bloke's opinion, nitpicking is a bit of a game here but can help a potential owner learn as well and I think that's a good thing, I wish it was around when I bought my bike.
 
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Salesrep sloganeering. One man's complete rebuild is another's mans lick of paint and carbie kits.

If there are receipts that fully document a bottom up rebuild with an assessment of original component wear and replacement parts, yeah, any price if you want it.


Correct me if I’m wrong, but is not the assumption that a restoration by the Museum shop is suspect until proven otherwise as opposed to the opposite a comment about the quality of the work done? Also, I would expect that any serious buyer would be able to view documentation of both provenance and the work performed, to say nothing of a test ride. This is not a $15k home restoration but rather a collaboration between the primary Marque museum and a respected and established shop with a history of quality.
 
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Apart from the fact that expensive bikes mostly aren't riden, the money means that people who would ride them are de facto prevented from doing so and non riden bikes don't need parts which mean that people who do ride them are progressively sidelined by lack of parts due to disappearing dealers.

Motorcycles are for getting dirty and for being riden by dirty people.
Laverda ownership doesn't need to come with a lifelong Rotary club membership.
Wasn't it Groucho who declared that he wouldn't be a member of a club who accepted people like him?

Paul
 
Put an action to your words and sell me your fully restored 750 SFC with all paper work and proof of restoration work for a fair value of 7.000€ and I make sure I'll ride it, Paul. ;)
 
no harm in trying for a high price, I have done it myself with many things non Laverda, you only need one punter who bites and you are away.
I am pleased it is in the USA (where the bikes are rare but pices not always reflecting that) and has a California title, because it was at one time, coming to the UK, and would have needed a UK V5C, so another job that I dont have to do!, half the asking price might be about right, but if seen in the flesh maybe only 13,000 US$

CLEM
 
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Laverdalothar said:
Put an action to your words and sell me your fully restored 750 SFC with all paper work and proof of restoration work for a fair value of 7.000€ and I make sure I'll ride it, Paul. ;)
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A 750 SFC is an exceptional motorcycle with racing pedigree.
A 120 Jota is an ordinary bike.

Now if you want my Electronica, it's yours for € 60 000. All moving parts are new or refurbished.

Paul
 
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CLEMTOG said:
no harm in trying for a high price, I have done it myself with many things non Laverda, you only need one punter who bites and you are away.
I am pleased it is in the USA (where the bikes are rare but pices not always reflecting that) and has a California title, because it was at one time, coming to the UK, and would have needed a UK V5C, so another job that I dont have to do!, haklf th asking price might be about right, but if seen in the flesh maybe only 13,000 US$

CLEM
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The problem Clem is that when they sell for that price and the news gets out, they all suddenly come on the market with high prices.

The Laverda market is at the moment flooded with bikes, that often don't sell for 60% of what they were selling for 5 years back, and it's not over. Owners are not riding or dying off and the world has changed.

Series C Black Shadow for £38 000 and Series B Rapide for 24 000 at Bonhams last weekend, excluding premium. Non matching numbers but when did you last see a running Vincent twin at those prices?

Game over for anybody realistic.

Paul
 
pf1 said:
Silencers are horrible
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As is the:
120 ducktail, replace it with an earlier one
The plastic rear mudguard, cut it down
That fugly fairing, get rid of it

And she’d be a pearler!

As for price, half the price of a Marx SFC… 🤔 okay, SFC wins …… if it’s an Electronica.
 
Alzero said:
Salesrep sloganeering. One man's complete rebuild is another's mans lick of paint and carbie kits.

If there are receipts that fully document a bottom up rebuild with an assessment of original component wear and replacement parts, yeah, any price if you want it.


Correct me if I’m wrong, but is not the assumption that a restoration by the Museum shop is suspect until proven otherwise as opposed to the opposite a comment about the quality of the work done? Also, I would expect that any serious buyer would be able to view documentation of both provenance and the work performed, to say nothing of a test ride. This is not a $15k home restoration but rather a collaboration between the primary Marque museum and a respected and established shop with a history of quality.
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Yeah, I'd stand by that statement and as an either/or. I'm not saying it wasn't a "full rebuild". Provenance and receipts. Trust has little to do with it.

From experience, If someone is claiming a full rebuild, I want proof. Does not matter if it is an esteemed museum or Charlie's chopshop.

For example, I had a bike rebuilt by TLM. Attended the workshop after a complete stripdown, including the gearbox and drivetrain. We went through every component for a wear assessment. Anything 60% worn was replaced. 13K euro later, like a new bike: Full rebuild. Someone else might have replaced barrels/pistons/bearings and lapped the valves back in: Full rebuild.
 
Paul Marx said:
A 750 SFC is an exceptional motorcycle with racing pedigree.
A 120 Jota is an ordinary bike.

Now if you want my Electronica, it's yours for € 60 000. All moving parts are new or refurbished.

Paul
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I leave you in your world (again), it makes no sense at all to argue with you as for you, there is no other opinion right than only yours obviously.
 
Lots of judgemental comments and assumptions regarding the work performed on this machine and it’s provenance. Has anyone bothered to email the seller and ask for details? Or does that make too much sense and take away all the fun……
 
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Alzero said:
Lots of judgemental comments and assumptions regarding the work performed on this machine and it’s provenance. Has anyone bothered to email the seller and ask for details? Or does that make too much sense and take away all the fun……
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Obviously nobody rich enough or foolish enough to ask.

Paul
 
Since I’m not rich enough, I guess I’m foolish: I’m now waiting for a response from the seller. I’m not in a position to buy anything that won’t fit into my luggage, but I never saw the harm in asking questions and learning new things. Knowledge doesn’t weigh much nor take up any room.
 
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