Riding miles when your old!

Your mentioning of National Rally’s has brought back nightmarish memories. I think it was 1988 and I had entered on my Jarama accompanying a mate on his bike. A matter of days before the event my Jarama became unwell and we decided I would do the event as pillion on my mates bike, a Yamaha FZR 1000. If you haven’t ridden pillion on these it is uncomfortable in the extreme, small seat pad, tiny grab rail and high mounted pillion foot pegs. We started at 2pm somewhere near Peterborough and ended up next morning at the Rally finish point at the British Telecom training centre near Stone, Staffordshire. In between and the return journey to his house near Peterborough we did close on 800 miles. I was in pain for most of the night and fighting off sleep whilst hanging on. I was a fit, slim, 26 year old then. Would struggle to get up on it nowadays. To cap it all my mate got a fancy award and I, as pillion, got fuck all !
 
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I`ll be 71 in a couple of weeks time ........

Competing in National Rallies on the Mirage would mean 700 - 800 miles covered between 2 pm on a Saturday afternoon and 10 am the following Sunday morning .... ( a fair proportion of that mileage resulting from getting completely lost down some dank country lane at two in the morning ... ) .......

Not sure I`ve got the enthusiasm to go through all that now .......... and I think the Rally format has been changed / spoilt anyhow.......

No problems with that mileage back then ........ except nearly nodding off several times on the dual carriageway near Cheltenham on the way home once ....... a result of riding all through the day and night ...... diverting onto some twisty backroads wakened me up again ........

One of the regular three or four Laverda entrants each year was a certain Keith Prentice , who features in the current copy of Classic Bike , talking about Jota 180`s ........... I remember bumping into him ( not literally ) once or twice during the course of the event , over the years ...... not sure if he still bothers to enter .........

Hi Tony,

Keith P is still a regular entrant in National Rallies, usually still on his Jota and also frequently picking up an award.

He does like to use them as intended 🏍👏😎
 
Your mentioning off National Rally’s has brought back nightmarish memories. I think it was 1988 and I had entered on my Jarama accompanying a mate on his bike. A matter of days before the event my Jarama became unwell and we decided I would do the event as pillion on my mates bike, a Yamaha FZR 1000. If you haven’t ridden pillion on these it is uncomfortable in the extreme, small seat pad, tiny grab rail and high mounted pillion foot pegs. We started at 2pm somewhere near Peterborough and ended up next morning at the Rally finish point at the British Telecom training centre near Stone, Staffordshire. In between and the return journey to his house near Peterborough we did close on 800 miles. I was in pain for most of the night and fighting off sleep whilst hanging on. I was a fit, slim, 26 year old then. Would struggle to get up on it nowadays. To cap it all my mate got a fancy award and I, as pillion, got fuck all !

The first Rally I entered was in 1988 , and I remember the Telecom Centre at Stone being a Final Control .
One year it was Doncaster Racecourse ....... which meant a long ride back home to Bristol .... this on top of the mileage already clocked up in the course of the event .

Planning your route to take in the maximum number of Controls without exceeding the nominal 500 mile limit ...... ( more like 600 miles plus in real road miles ) ...... meant a ride of maybe 100 miles just to get to your chosen Start Control ...... then another 600 miles or so during the event ...... then another 150 miles or whatever to get home again ...... A nice weekend ride ........ especially in pouring rain miles from home in the middle of the night ....... Although we were usually lucky with the weather .

I remember riding around in circles for half an hour in Corby looking for that Control , having to ask a taxi driver filling up at the pumps for help with that one ..........

Stopped under a streetlight looking at a map trying to figure out where the Royton Control was , whilst police riot vans dealt with " revellers " all around me at pub chucking out time ..... eventually find it hidden up a lane between peoples front gardens in a cul de sac ........ It was the local Air Training Cadet headquarters .... when I spotted the full size replica of a Spitfire suspended in mid-air , I knew I had found the right place .

Probably most difficult to find were the ones out in the country ....... Controls advertised themselves with a flourescent sign which read " CONTROL " .......... If your headlight beam managed to pick this out ( by no means guaranteed ) ....... then hidden away in the layby you might find a caravan or canvas awning with a generator providing the lights , manned by a couple of night owls with a ink stamp in their hands , ready to mark your card .

At one such Control I remember several snoring noises coming from within a nearby ditch ...... ( you had to take an hours break in the night for safety reasons ....... they could check the times stamped on your card to make sure you complied ........ ) .........

You could also guarantee that however quiet in might seem at three o`clock in the morning , as soon as you stopped to check where you were , some drunken late night straggler would suddenly appear , seemingly out of nowhere .......
...... and ask you " What are all these motorbikes doing ridin` around then ? " .......

Easiest to find were Controls situated in filling stations , or pub carparks .


Most stressful part of all this strangeness would probably occur at around 9 am on Sunday morning , when you realise you have only an hour left before the finish , but have two or three Controls still left to find ........

Logic tells you it can`t be done , but then sheer panic wells up , barges your addled mind to one side , and rudely takes over the bike`s controls .......and somehow you make it to the Final Control in time .......

You attribute it to mere balls out riding , but in truth it was probably something primitive in your brain stem which was really running the show ......


Makes it seem like quite good fun , looking back .......... :whistle: ............
 
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Got me on a nostalgia trip now regarding the National Rally ........ and have found this , you`ll be delighted to hear ..... from 1989 and 1998 .........

Map of Controls ....... between 20 and 40 miles apart ..... calculated from a road map ........ actual mileage usually greater especially if you take a wrong turn ......

Cram as many Controls in as you can without exceeding 500 miles ..... you get a list of Control locations , obviously ........ You could plan your route aiming for Bronze , Silver , Gold , or Special Gold awards , depending how difficult you want to make things for yourself ........

Start 2pm Saturday from the Control of your choice ....... Finish no later than 10 am Sunday at the Final Control , which all competitors will be heading for .
Nominal mileage covered is 500 , but will be more like 600 miles in reality , taking into account detours , getting lost , heading off in the wrong direction , and so on .....
And then you will waste precious time circling town centres , riding down dank smelling narrow country lanes in the dark , avoiding drunken pedestrians at closing time ........ trying to pinpoint exactly where that bloody Control is located .... ( unless it`s one you happen to remember from last year ) .......
And then you also have to take two one hour rest periods , which you reduce down to about 25 minutes each , for fear of losing too much time ......

Rally card stamped ......

Rally card returned showing 542 points earned ...... Tie breaker "Special Test " over a timed course shows I was 22.3 seconds too quick ...... ( quicker than a specified target time ....... ) ....... thus forfeiting the chance of a Special Gold .

Apart from that , it seems I didn`t do too badly that year ........ arriving at the Final Control at 7 :37 am ....... well before the finishing time of 10 am .......

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Yep , afraid there`s more ..........

Entry list showing me number 475 out of 1200 entries ........... You`d usually get something like four or five Laverdas entered .......

" Service " teams also enter ....... No Met Police or Avon and Somerset Police teams this year ( 1998 ) ......... they would usually enter most years .......
........ One year ( not this ) three RAF Tornado pilots rode over from Germany to compete .......

And this is what you receive ( if you finish ) ..... fashioned from 5000 year old granite from the Lake District .... ( or something like that ) .......


Sorry for the interruption ....... you can get back to aches and pains now .........
 
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I am a bit torn on this, sounds like great fun and possibly very dangerous. Being sleep deprived can be a huge issue. I have done a few 24-hour straight drives, and the last few hours head out of the window, slapping your face, etc, were pretty crazy trying to stay awake. It's really bad just before dawn. Well past repeating that stuff. Grown Adults and all that, though. BTW, the difference happens with just a 15-minute power nap.
 
All I can say is……….wow ! Do you go to sleep.
Most people kip for a couple of hours at the end ....... I tended to head straight for home afterwards , but that can be risky if you start to blank out for a few seconds at a time on a busy dual carriageway .... which has happened to me on one occasion through sheer tiredness ........

If that starts to happen I would stop and lie down and rest , no matter where I was .......

Usually though , tiredness wasn`t too much of a problem as long as you take those breaks every now and again , plus not skipping on eating and drinking .

There are probably plenty of people who cope with this much better than I do ! .......
 
I am a bit torn on this, sounds like great fun and possibly very dangerous. Being sleep deprived can be a huge issue. I have done a few 24-hour straight drives, and the last few hours head out of the window, slapping your face, etc, were pretty crazy trying to stay awake. It's really bad just before dawn. Well past repeating that stuff. Grown Adults and all that, though. BTW, the difference happens with just a 15-minute power nap.
I`m not sure which format the Rally takes nowadays , maybe it`s been re-modelled to eliminate some of the risk and fatigue factor .

The early pre -war Rallies , from 1936 onwards were , I believe , a nominal 800 miles in 24 hours , rather than 500 miles in 20 hours it became later .... but obviously other road traffic outside of towns was almost non- existent then compared to today , so any risk was much reduced .

The thing with the National Rally is that it exists pretty much under the radar to a certain extent .... It was always billed as a " Navigational Scatter Event " , which avoided any idea that it might be in any way a competition event , or even worse , an out and out race on public roads ...... which it isn`t of course , it`s more like a long distance endurance event with everyone heading off in different directions , only to come together again at the very end .

At least that`s the way it used to be ..... as I said , I`m not sure exactly which format it takes nowadays .

Up to the mid 1950`s , riders were issued with competition type number plates displaying their entry numbers , which they could then attach to their machines ........ but this was stopped when silly old ladies started to complain that they saw motorcycles racing on the roads ......

Another more recent incident was when a local police inspector threatened to have a Control based in a pub car park shut down because " it encouraged drink driving " ..........

Car parks and filling stations with large forecourt space are ideal for coping with large numbers of bikes at any one time , and permission had already been approved in any case ......... but apart from the odd incident like this , the National Rally keeps a pretty low profile .

As for tiredness ...... I think most riders are aware of the possible dangers , and the way it can creep up on you ....... hence the sight of several hundred bodies stretched out on the grass taking a few hours kip at the finish of the Rally , before eventually starting their journey back home .....
 
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Adults making adult decisions. The only thing similar in Oz is the 24-hour regularity rally in South Oz. This year is its Centenary.. That had a fair bit of off-roading in it. I used an Electric Ignition shop over there to rebuild my old Husky EI. They specialised in building high-powered lighting rigs used in that event. Back in the 1980s, Dirt Bikes had really poor lighting.
 
Adults making adult decisions. The only thing similar in Oz is the 24-hour regularity rally in South Oz. This year is its Centenary.. That had a fair bit of off-roading in it. I used an Electric Ignition shop over there to rebuild my old Husky EI. They specialised in building high-powered lighting rigs used in that event. Back in the 1980s, Dirt Bikes had really poor lighting.
Let me see, South Australia on a dirt bike or Doncaster in the pissing rain looking for a scout hut? Looks fantastic
 
Bother at 4.32am in Winter on a Moonless night. Sounds inviting. At least both are on a bike, or a Sidecar for the balance challenge
 
Good thread guys.

Back to clothing and esp. underwear... One tip I have used for decades and to good effect is 'wear under layers inside-out', so that any stitched seams are not next to the skin. It sure does help. P.
 
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Most people kip for a couple of hours at the end ....... I tended to head straight for home afterwards , but that can be risky if you start to blank out for a few seconds at a time on a busy dual carriageway .... which has happened to me on one occasion through sheer tiredness ........

If that starts to happen I would stop and lie down and rest , no matter where I was .......

Usually though , tiredness wasn`t too much of a problem as long as you take those breaks every now and again , plus not skipping on eating and drinking .

There are probably plenty of people who cope with this much better than I do ! .......
Rocket, I was not referring to The National Rally’s regarding sleep, that is naps whenever you can squeeze one in.
I was referring to life in general as you seem to post at all hours ! I am somewhat similar these days myself. I blame this on night shifts for 26 years though.
Steve.
 
I rode the Scottish National Rally a few years ago, together with Keith, Richard and Kevin(?). Started from Inverness Saturday midday for a mad dash around the northern coast. Rules stipulated no checkpoints recorded after 8pm would be recognised until 6am following morning, so a good sleep was possible. End point in Crainlarich was to be reached by 5pm iIrc, still have the certificate somewhere...

Truely memorable ride, especially having a couple of insiders leading the way. I think we completed 500+ miles, certainly not hanging around!

Seamless underwear and/or cycling shorts help quite a bit during the long saddle hours, a change of socks or gloves can be truely relieving if excessive moisture is encountered.;) I always try to carry as much clothing as possible to help stay comfortable under any conditions, great to be able to pull on another jumper when it gets chilly.

piet
 
TOG (The Old Girl) was at one time known as ILBMM (intercontinental Laverda ballistic motorway missile.) but people couldnt say it, so TOG it was and is.
CLEM
 
At 70 I was diagnosed with Cataracts. I could no longer trust my eye sight.
Big Blow considering I have been riding a 1970 Breganzie 750 SF0 for like 45 years.
I had to sell her and give up 2 wheel riding.

Now at 76 I finally got notice that I'm entitled for Cataract surgery on June 2nd 2025 - Getting Old is NOT Practicable ;o(
Plus I got no muscle mass and I'm 40 lbs heavier!
 
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Surgery will fix you right up, Ron. No need to suffer from cataracts in this day and age - it's a simple op - Fred Hollows Foundation here in Oz has repaired the sight of hundreds of thousands of 3rd world sufferers with a simple and effective operation.
 
I had both mine done in the last year or so. No glasses now except for reading. Still need an injection of Avaston in my left eye once a month, though. For a Macular issue, a slow internal bleed that causes swelling and distorted vision. Really common around here.. Thought you had Nationalised Heath a Canada, Ron. Why the delay? Cataracts are done as an Outpatient in Oz. Local Anesthetic and each done in half a day. Mine were each done a year apart.
 
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