Sidestand failure?

cbertozz

cbertozz

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Since I?ve put on the longer shock eye the bike leans more heavily on the stand and I swear it is bending?? Or do they always look this way? I?ve never really looked!

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Mine did not bend on the sidestand itself but on the holder-plate... (the material chosen is to soft...  >:( ). I could imagine though, that the load is high enough to even bend the sidestand...
 
I?ve cut a wooden block that I?ll use with it for now while I source a new one and get someone to weld something on to make it longer.
 
The stand needs to be a compromise between high enough to not lean over too much and be overloaded but not so high to be unstable. The one I have is tubular and I think is either a 600 or 1200 Kawasaki stand. Mine being tubular makes it easy to cut and insert a solid plug so you can extend the length. Something I learned early is some stands, especially on high-end offroad competition bikes, are so lightly made that they only will hold the bike, they won't take the rider seating on the bike. I have adjusted the lengths of both my stands heaps over the years.
 
Vince said:
The stand needs to be a compromise between high enough to not lean over too much and be overloaded but not so high to be unstable. The one I have is tubular and I think is either a 600 or 1200 Kawasaki stand. Mine being tubular makes it easy to cut and insert a solid plug so you can extend the length. Something I learned early is some stands, especially on high-end offroad competition bikes, are so lightly made that they only will hold the bike, they won't take the rider seating on the bike. I have adjusted the lengths of both my stands heaps over the years.
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Now I?ve identified the issue I?ve bought another sidestand and I have a friend who will help me fabricate something to make it a suitable length. Until then the wooden block will do.
 
Laverda's are not meant to have side stands, sort out ya centre stand. End of story got to be the worlds easiest centre stand to put a bike on  :o
 
Brett said:
Laverda's are not meant to have side stands, sort out ya centre stand. End of story got to be the worlds easiest centre stand to put a bike on  :o
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Centrestand is fully functional when fitted but the higher rear suspension makes it about as safe as a matchstick sidestand, as I discovered recently.

I guess I could try and extend the feet on the centrestand - anyone done something similar?
 
I've been giving some thought to an adjustable-height centre stand for the pseudo SFC750 centrestand I've made. Some sort of strong threaded insert on each leg, but has to be relatively light to avoid it bouncing down on bumps, so maybe alloy feet. Due to the angle of the legs, it's a tricky problem.
 
Breganzies inherently fall off there side stand and dent the tank if you lower the bars - Just let the Girl do it and be done with it ;o)
 
Carlo, that stand looks perfectly OK. It looks the same as the Kawasaki ZZR1200 stand on my Jota. They're pretty solid stands (looks like forged steel). I occasionally lean all the weight of my bike on the stand and use it as a pivot to swing the bike around when manoeuvring space is tight. It's never ever looked like bending.

If those longer shocks are a permanent fixture, then you may as well lengthen the side stand to suit. It's simple enough to cut it and weld in a bit of steel. But do it as close to the foot as possible because that's where the bending moment is least. Tell the bloke who's doing the welding that you want a full penetration weld.

nick7 said:
Brett
Sorry mate but you are talking nonesense..
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Ha ha. I agree.  :D

Putting a decent Kawasaki side stand on my Jota was one of the best modifications I did to it. I got sick of hauling the bloody thing onto the centre stand every time I wanted to stop. The bike is so much more user friendly now - just flick the side stand out and get off. There's no sensible argument not to have a side stand and they're pretty much essential for anyone with a dodgy back.

Brett said:
(Laverda's ...) got to be the worlds easiest centre stand to put a bike on  :o
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I've not found Laverda stands to be any easier to use than any other type. Actually, of all my bikes, I reckon the easiest centre stand to deploy is the one on the Benelli 900 Sei. The Ducati MHR is next on the easy list (but only because I chopped 20mm out of the stand), then maybe the Laverda.
 
Found the sidestand essential when loaded with panniers and tent strapped across the pillion seat.
 
agree with Nick, side stand is a definite boon, and yes the centre stand is also very good and very useful, but mine got bent when the bastards on the Santander ferry tightened the cargo strap holding it to the deck,  beyond where I had stopped them while in attendance, once departed they must have clicked it on few steps, and bent it, so the lean angle is too much, mine came from a ZZR600 and is tubular steel, suitable modified with an extension to get the right angle, now it needs warming and straightening. Why cant the bastards leave well alone, especially as they take no responsibility for the bike falling, its up to the rider to use the kit provided, with assistance if asked for, but no liability is taken, this applies to most, if not all ferries that I come across, what is different about the Portsmouth/Santander service is that the "fixing" on the deck floor is a horizontal wire rope cable,  that is pinned down about every 5 metres, the possibility is that tightening or loosening a bike fixing can affect all the rest, most ferries use a pair of dedicated fixing eyes on the floor  either side of each individual bike, this means that what you do to your bike does not influence anybody else's, never totally satisfactory on any ferry and always a dodgy thing even if only slightly, you can see why a lot of people go to these events using trailers and vans when classic bikes are involved.
CLEM
 
I remember buying a sidestand of the original type that fixed to the front left engine stud about 19 years ago for???....from Slaters. The bike fell off with a sickening thud.  The best centre stand, no doubt about it, is on my BMW R1200 ST..you just push down , no heaving. Guy who did mot last week commented on it. But later same day after i did oil and fliter change  one of the bolts broke!!  New bushes and bolts on order for both sides..its 2006  so seen action. Will be using the ole washers in the spring trick to get those back on I reckon!
 
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