Sparks, a few and a many

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Had reason to fire up ( literally ) my old iis test jig, using the iis TCI120 long box, now over 28 years ago design and built. Series of movies, dry aged fouled B8ES, then Iridium from a Mazda V6 am restoring, over rich fouled. The latter still can be fired with a decent capacitor discharge ignition, wet fouled or dry. Hope it is of interest, rainy day here...indoor fireworks to make with the smiles. You can see the test jig surface flames, also iis able to supply full spark energy from 6V to 24V input, no damage and no reduction in joules at the gap. j

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Quite a bit of practical knowledge in the vids Lothar, one of the reasons i posted the workshop jig tests. The removed earth leg allows a ring fire type of ionisation. Notable also the local heating effect on the contamination on the metal cold side of the spark, ie the "carbon" build up was eroded at the base of the spark, mostly on the earth leg, self cleaning in effect.

Also the added Ether caused a much harsher/zap in the sparking, mini explosions almost. Exploding the over-rich burnt deposits, as much as i could observe. My eyesight lacks resolution these days, glasses or no glasses, they just focus better, the actual resolution is diminishing.

Main aspect, that even a fouled plug will fire with a dedicated type of fast rise time waveform and current to support the ionised gap. Where inductive discharge type ignitions cannot provide, inductive ( ID ) types work when the motor is working properly. The time you need a special spark generator is when a motor in not operating correctly, to overcome the lack of spark energy in diagnosis in fuel/air or electrical problems or both at the same time. Summary, ID will meet basic ignition in an engine, will not cope with outside of normal engine operation.

Thank you for your interest Lothar, may your sparks be healthy ones, a grin here. j BTW, the ignition coils are ND circa 1973, 50+ years old... and old Bosch resistor metal type covers.
 
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Very droll Lothar... your quick..... a grin here

Yes Cinderella those coils were on points, nightmare to setup on the Suzuki GT750K, one set was fixed onto the backing plate, the other two were moveable, ie you had to set the fixed plate first points and then the other two. If you moved the fixed points plate you moved all three. Being a two stroke it beat the hell out of the points, forever putting in new ones. Then later designed my version of a "CDI" made the opto shutter symetric and the motor would start backwards, select first gear...take off up the gutter going backwards towards a plate glass shop window... great fun if you like being scared... TZ250's used to bump start backwards also... we found out the hard way... j
 
Very droll Lothar... your quick..... a grin here

Yes Cinderella those coils were on points, nightmare to setup on the Suzuki GT750K, one set was fixed onto the backing plate, the other two were moveable, ie you had to set the fixed plate first points and then the other two. If you moved the fixed points plate you moved all three. Being a two stroke it beat the hell out of the points, forever putting in new ones. Then later designed my version of a "CDI" made the opto shutter symetric and the motor would start backwards, select first gear...take off up the gutter going backwards towards a plate glass shop window... great fun if you like being scared... TZ250's used to bump start backwards also... we found out the hard way... j
Hi John,

My first bike was a Yamaha RD250 which would eat points on a regular basis. Many a Saturday was spent working on the points! Yamaha points were really expensive so I used ones made in Taiwan. They did not last long either. I was very jealous of my brother with his Kawasaki H1 with CDI ignition which required no maintenance.

In about 1977 I made a transistorized ignition for the Yamaha. The points stayed on the bike and switched the transistor off and on. If I remember correctly the current now going through the points was only 50ma and greatly increased their life span. As I was only seventeen at the time I did not know yet how to design a circuit to get rid of the points entirely. I found the left over parts for this project a few years ago and something else I designed then which made the neighbors very unhappy. A transmitter to broadcast noise in the VHF band from 50 to 85 MHZ that would make any TV within a few hundred yards of me not work. Sadly my parents took it away from me.

Bruce
 
I was watching a doco the origin of computer hacking a while back and totally forgot about those phone tone generators that allowed free phone calls, from such a tiny beginning.
 
Phreaking in the day Vince, mainly USA as out here we had a less sophisticated telephone system, was apprenticed in telephone equipment manufacture and installation.

Bruce, naughty, must not make broadband RF generators, used the 6 metre band as Ham radio operator, used to watch New Zealand and Russian TV when sporadic E propagation opened up in around October and in Jan-Feb. Large 3 element home made Yagi Gamma Matched driven element antenna. You would have had me wondering where the hash was coming from Bruce.

Made a 240V mains powered strobe light early 1970's, vero board and the intertrack creepage was not good enough to withstand the Xenon flash tube and HV trigger coil, shorted the mains, blew the house into darkness...my mother was not what you would call a calm person, the scream when flash bang house in darkness had true impact of a son experimenting with electricity, she stopped my previous chemistry experiments, dab of Glycerin on Potassium permanganate pile.... exothermic fire and smoke, liberates an acid smoke, found that out when i ingested the vapour. Used to vary the mixture to time it out, wrapped up in paper and tossed into the waste basket next to the teacher, about 2-3 minutes for a saturated mixture.... great commotion in the class room... i had hero status from then on, in place of being beat upon as a small boy. Pixie powder was another speciality of mine....ammonia and iodine crystals... dried on bloting paper... deflagration had my interest.... did well reading to here... all self seving memories of what it is like to be driven.... most of all the driven mad around me, j.
 
Well because I was young and stupid.

It started out by accident. I noticed when testing the ignition for the Yamaha that it would cause problems with the TV. Although only if the TV was no more than 20 feet away. That gave me the idea of making a proper transmitter with a lot more power. Our next door neighbor was an old woman who hated everything and everyone, especially me. And she hated motorcycles and those who rode them with a passion. She spent much of the day either watching TV or calling the mothers of the neighborhood children to complain about them. So to get back at her, I would after getting home from school, turn the transmitter on. My mother eventually found out what I was up to and took it away.

And John, when I was about 14 years old, I too made Ammonia triiodide crystals. I would put the crystals on the sidewalk and as people walked by and stepped on it, bang! I then moved on to making black powder. One time I had the chemicals to make nitro glycerin . My father explained the dangers of making that and I never tried to do it.

At the time my father was working for a company building a factory to make RDX for the US military. He had all the technical manuals for any explosive the military used. Almost all were impossible to make at home without killing yourself.
 
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Well because I was young and stupid.

It started out by accident. I noticed when testing the ignition for the Yamaha that it would cause problems with the TV. Although only if the TV was no more than 20 feet away. That gave me the idea of making a proper transmitter with a lot more power. Our next door neighbor was an old woman who hated everything and everyone, especially me. And she hated motorcycles and those who rode them with a passion. She spent much of the day either watching TV or calling the mothers of the neighborhood children to complain about them. So to get back at her, I would after getting home from school, turn the transmitter on. My mother eventually found out what I was up to and took it away.

And John, I too made Ammonia triiodide crystals. I would put the crystals on the sidewalk and as people walked by and stepped on it, bang! I then moved on to making black powder. One time I had the chemicals to make nitro glycerin . My father explained the dangers of making that and I never tried to do it.

At the time my father was working for a company building a factory to make RDX for the US military. He had all the technical manuals for any explosive the military used. Almost all were impossible to make at home without killing yourself.
Serious credibility there Bruce, world away yet the same driven young man/men, mantra. Witnessed a Nitrate mixture go bad, hospitalised young bloke whom did not fully appreciate the chemicals he was using, ie a not gifted person using information well above his capabilities, like to think you Bruce and myself while chemical and electrical dangerous attractions with a modicum of outcome awareness. Reads your dad was a dad of much worth to you, crucial guidance.

One of the better USA style do it big explosions for amateurs was on a Myth Busters show, a large cement truck with a load that had set hard, loaded with a form of high explosive, filmed about a mile away. the truck just vanished. Then of course there is my favourite DVD, Atomic Cafe... have the pdf version for "Swords of Armageddon" not exactly a book for reading, insight into the two labs of the day creating devices to remove the face of the earth. Did at one stage have the documents for how they created the electrical and electronic protection and triggering devices for nuclear devices, had electronic devices listed that were unknown to me, like many documents in the day, most are not available any longer on the WWW, a good and bad thing in one.

Ignition, just ordered 5 devices from ST, all in one inductive discharge controller, control and current limited output driver in one thermal package.
$5 each, as the old device in the Mazda 929 failed or more likely i killed it. $150 for an "igniter"....."i'll Noo be paying for that" in mangled Scottish accent. Running one of my 1995 CDI iis slave boards, at this time... still like experimenting to this day. j
 

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That is a very nice little ignition controller! Certainly makes designing an ignition easier.

As most things these day use coil on plug type ignition coils, I am surprised they did not make it able to supply enough current for that application?

In a few years they will probably have a version with a hall effect sensor in the chip and be programmable for advance.
 
Indeed Bruce, the "electronics" that we grew up with are here as in historical use, though not offered in this day and age. Preferred the discrete, design, if one component was damaged, easily located and replaced, say the coil driver.

The ceramic style hybrids in the day were popular ( Tektronix used many ) as did the igniter that failed here, can see the coil driver chip transistor has failed, though i cannot solder in an igbt in stock. the leadout wires are incredibly flexible yet will not take 60/40 solder. Hence my purchase of the ST all in one device. Low volume purchase at $5 is the obvious answer, as to why it is done this way today. Long way from the 5" hockey puck SCR's i worked on for 700KVA ups inverter and rectifier stages. Boxes of redundant electronic parts here, destined for landfill..... sigh.
 
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