The Motorcycle Broker article

I saw this on xxx and had exactly the same trouble, how do you read their TOSH and get past their joining SHIT. I need to know where I have gone wrong in the past 30 plus years.
 
Nothing particularly dishonest there - they recommend the highly reputable Keith at LS and it is true that any purchase will most likely involve a whole lot more cash before it becomes a really nice well sorted reliable triple. I'd like to see someone buy an SFC for the same price as a Jota!!
 
piranha-bro2 said:
Nothing particularly dishonest there - they recommend the highly reputable Keith at LS and it is true that any purchase will most likely involve a whole lot more cash before it becomes a really nice well sorted reliable triple. I'd like to see someone buy an SFC for the same price as a Jota!!
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I couldn't agree more, once sorted a great bike to ride.
 
Wow, time travel exists....!! If memory serves,thirty or forty years ago through the pages of
the long gone "Motorcycle Sport" (the Quality Monthly) magazine there was an embryonic
group. This "group" billing themselves as the PEMC (Professional & Executive Motorcycle
Club ) were a group of snobs thinking that they had the education and social class standing
to create an elitist group of enthusiasts. A lot of air cooled BMW riders I believe....Anyway,
this entity calling themselves or himself The Motorcycle Broker might possibly have tele-
ported into the 2020's with 'expert advice' and pricing and investment portfolio claptrap.
Taking advice from investment councillors about motorcycles and pricing of used bikes is
surely a way to be bamboozled out of hard earned Pounds and Euros. Caveat Emptor.
 
Does anyone have a link that bypasses THE BULLSHIT, I have tried but even joining I still cannot read this. I have the same shit last week with a document that apparently had an electronic signature I was supposed to comply with, except I couldn't find any way to open and I still feel like SMASHING MY LAPTOP to open it. This is not SUPER SECRET SQUIRREL SHIT. Just make it USEABLE for fuck sake. Why do you need a Computer Science degree to do this stuff.
 
Why would I want to join some pickpocket scam, I just want to read their criticism. I joined when it was on Facebook and went through what I could find and there was nothing Laverda related that I could find.
 
Well, it didnt take the NSA but I finally read the article, the tone was pretty derogatory and apparently, you NEED these people to broker any bike you might consider buying, REALLY AND TRULY. Any bike 40 plus years old will have issues, especially if you expect better than new performance, who would have guessed that.
 
Davo said:
I particularly like the fact that now have supposedly sorted on Laverda Triple they now call themselves experts with the brand. Reads like it was written by a bunch of upper class chinless wonders.
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I'd say definitely lower class. Any body with an education wouldn't write an article like that and wouldn't be dealing with bikes anyway.

Paul
 
This stupide article of the Motorcycle broker Paul Jayson made me very angry - I have sent the following email to him:

Dear Paul,
in your penultimate newsletter you described in detail the history of the restoration of a LAVERDA 1000 Jota and warned your customers about this model. Thousands of LAVERDA drivers around the world can assure you that the three-cylinder engine is a very robust and very reliable design when given the proper maintenance. Instead of simply admitting that you bought a very bad example, you described the LAVERDA three-cylinder engine as a lousy design. Your reaction shows very little knowledge of these excellent Italian bikes.

Kind LAVERDA regards,
Gert Schnoegl
LAVERDA FRIENDS AUSTRIA
 
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Not a bad article in some ways but £40,000, really? They obviously got stung with that bike but it serves them right for sourcing a clapped out wreck in the first place for someone. The article has been written by somebody who is biased because they were looking for a good profit and had their fingers well and truly burned. Hard luck eh? It looks like Keith made all the profit out of that debacle.
 
... and here is his answer:
Hi Gert, I respect your knowledge of these beautiful bikes, but as I said in the article, a lot of the problems start with the period of the bike's age when it is not so desirable once it is five years old and maintenance is not carried out properly. It affects many machines, but there are issues with these machines whereby the original pistons are softer than aftermarket ones around the ringlan, where the piston rings sit, and they wear there. That the early Jotas have no oil drain plug in the primary which means that when people maintain them themselves they leave a substantial amount of old oil in the primary case which can cause problems. I have known one or two old Laverdas that have achieved 100,000 miles but they've had to had the primary and camchain replaced and new valve seats to achieve it. Compared to other aluminium engines of that era, it's not a high mileage motor at all. One of the biggest problems with the machines is people who restore them on the cheap, don't maintain them correctly and abuse them. This is also true of many machines of this era but many others can take that neglect better than the Laverda. We have worked on many Jotas, SFCs and SFs, along with 1970s MV AGustas, Ducati round and square cases. We are trying to point out to customers that because a motorcycle looks good, is shiny and the owner tells them all sorts of wonderful things about it, does not mean that is true. What is probably best, unless you know the work has been done to the correct standard, is to buy one requiring work and have it done properly.

Many thanks.
Paul Jayson (The Motorcycle Broker)
 
Can't the oil be drained from the primary chain adjuster hole? I've never ever found the remaining oil to be a problem anyway and my first 3C did nearly 100,000 miles. I can only assume the other makes he works on have not been used much because I can't think of anything from that era which could survive in any better shape excepting perhaps a BMW and they were owned by, shall we say, more careful types.
 
lavgert said:
... and here is his answer:
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lavgert said:
That the early Jotas have no oil drain plug in the primary which means that when people maintain them themselves they leave a substantial amount of old oil in the primary case which can cause problems. I have known one or two old Laverdas that have achieved 100,000 miles but they've had to had the primary and camchain replaced and new valve seats to achieve it."

Paul Jayson (The Motorcycle Breaker)
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If maintained, according to the Factory's specification, provided in the Operation and Maintenance Handbook that came with mine, by 100,000 miles would have had FIVE new primary chains!
Consequently, any "substantial amount of old oil in the primary case which can cause problems" wouldn't be there.
Ignorance is, not only, no defence in Law, it's equally inappropriate in looking after a quality motorcycle.

Or, for those of a biblical turn of phrase:
Matthew 7:6 KJV
“Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.”


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Paul Marx said:
There's very few 100 000 km motorcycles about that haven't had maintenance.

Paul
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Yes, I'm not sure what the guy is trying to say, the UK climate destroyed the chrome, alloy and fasteners of the Jap bikes pretty quickly and the brakes seized up too, Ducatis fell to bits cosmetically and mechanically pretty quickly if used as intended and we all know about the state of the British bikes of the time. MV's? Come on, they hardly had any use, Guzzis lasted well mechanically but the finish was far worse than the Laverdas. Try and think back to the seventies and the trials and tribulations of everyone's motorcycle choices. I suppose Jap fours were mechanically robust and could take a pasting but they were in a pretty poor state in all other departments after a few years. I think the Laverda held up well all things considered.
Maybe his gripe comes down to the fact that he picked a dud, spent a fortune and couldn't get it back but maybe that says more about him than the bike.
He's right about one thing though, beware of shiny Laverda restorations, it's the easy half of the job.
 
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