Triplex v. simplex primary chain

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<DIV> <P>More on chains:</P> <P><o:p> </o:p></P> <P>I got carried away with triplex chains in my diatribe a few postings back, and forgot to address the issue of triplex vs simplex, which was the original question!</P> <P><o:p> </o:p></P> <P>There seems to be a general opinion that two simplex chains have a similar rating to the original triplex. I think this is a misconception. </P> <P>Firstly, it simply isn?t true. If you look at any chain rating tables, for similar chain construction, a Triplex has 2.5 times the rating of a simplex. </P> <P>Secondly, when using two chains on a pair of sprockets that are fixed together, you can?t simply multiply the load rating of a single chain by two. The reason for this is that no two chains are exactly the same, even if they are cut from the same stock. Engineering tolerances are such that there will be minor differences from link to link, so there may be a slight difference in length between two similar chains. There may also be slight machining irregularities in the sprockets. These differences will be very small, but enough to mean that one chain will be tighter than the other (and not always the same chain as they move around the sprockets). Roller chains have very little stretch so even a slight difference in dimension will mean one chain is significantly more loaded than the other. Therefore engineers must use a de-rating factor for multiple chains. Without looking it up, I think it?s about 1.6 for two chains. That means two single chains in parallel only have 1.6 times the rating of a single chain. As the chains wear, the differences between them will become greater, and the rating factor will reduce to the point that the two chains are not much better than one. Using separate chain tensioners will help, but it?s not an ideal solution.</P> <P><o:p> </o:p></P> <P>You may think this is all a bit pedantic, but look back at Bruce?s post (No. 5). He had first-hand experience of this very problem. When you have one chain tighter than the other, they are both worse off. The tight one may fail because of too great a load, and the loose one may fail because of the shock loads imposed by it flapping about.</P> <P><o:p> </o:p></P> <P>Also, this goes a long way to answering Brad?s question in the last paragraph of his post (No. 7). Putting a triplex chain back onto sprockets that were previously running two simplex is asking for trouble because the centre sprockets will be less worn-out. So the centre row of the triplex will be tighter (and therefore more highly loaded) than the outside rows. Uneven load distribution will shorten the chain?s already limited life. I guess the bottom line here is that if you decide to go with two simplex chains, make it a permanent change ? don?t go back to triplex without replacing the sprockets.<o:p></o:p></P> <P><o:p> </o:p></P> <P>Cheers,</P> <P><st1:place w:st="on">Cam</st1:place></P></DIV>
 
<DIV>Well, I won't do that again (type a message in MS Word and paste it here).</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Cam</DIV>
 
<DIV>Hi JLO</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Yes, Tim has been my older brother for a long time. We have both been into bikes since our teenage years (a long time ago now). He has had his Laverda 3C since new. Well almost - it had only done a few km when he bought it in 1976. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>While I've been a long time admirer of Italian bikes (I've had my bevel Ducati for nearly 20 years) , I only acquired my first Laverda a few months ago. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Cheers,</DIV> <DIV>Cam</DIV>
 
You know something...

I have NO recollection of this !!

Weird !!

Tim


(Guffaw...laughter!!)
 
<DIV>Hi Zim, Morse chain, or Hy-vo as I think it was sometimes called years ago, is like a broad multi-row chain but with no rollers separating the sideplates.  The plates have a flat back, but a tooth profile on the sprocket side.  The sprockets are a bit like pulleys for toothed belts, but need a very accurate involute-type profile for smooth engagement with the chain 'teeth'.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>A great idea, but they are quite heavy.  I recall they were usually mounted inboard of the outer cylinder on multis, was this to provide good support via a main bearing either side, or just to keep the width down??  How would they go long-term in our primary cases with small outrigger bearings?</DIV>
 
<DIV>i prefer triplex where they were original fitment, 2 x singles for later stuff</DIV>
 
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