Various questions about recommissioning my RGS Executive..

Once i finished what i could on the starter today, i removed the rocker cover to see what condition the cams were in and if there was obvious signs of wear or damage... Everything looks brand new  :D But everything also looks very dry  :o

Should i remove the cams from the cam blocks to lubricate them, or simply drench the top of the engine in oil and turn her over by hand? I'm not that keen to remove the cams, but i also don't want to damage them... I am assuming there will still be a film of oil on the cams in the blocks..

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Me know nothing but after lubing maybe spin it with the rocker off and look for the oil to flow. Take it easy as you don't want a huge mess. Better check this with smarter types first.
 
sfcpiet said:
Simply "assembling" the clutch won't have it last long.  The M5 countersunk screws must be done up to the verge of thread stripping, they will otherwise loosen themselves, Loctite or not!  Once they loosen, they begin to extract themselves, with varying disastrous results, as many have found out. ::)

Give the screw heads a good tap or five via an allen socket and tighten, repeat for all screws until no further movement can be achieved.  This settles the punched plate tight into the chamfered bores of the clutch inner ring, thus eliminating any future tension loss of the screws.

piet
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  Thanks Piet, another thing to worry about on my perfectly working 3C!
 
I was just going to use the one i took off, is there a problem doing this?
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No

Should i remove the cams from the cam blocks to lubricate them, or simply drench the top of the engine in oil and turn her over by hand?
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The latter would be my choice.  As Vince says, if you turn by hand with the cover off (or if you're lazy like me, on the starter with plugs out and earthed), you should see oil being pumped up top after ~20 secs 

You may find some suggest pulling the cams and checking them, but if the motor turns freely, binding of the camblocks/bent cam shouldn't be an issue.  Hopefully!

 
Lee87H said:
  Thanks Piet, another thing to worry about on my perfectly working 3C!
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Not really...

It's mainly the Mk II/120? clutches that are affected.  The earlier 180? sprag clutches are a lot more reliable, probably because they are rivetted instead of screwed. 

The innards of the Mk II/120? sprags are identical to those of the 750.  The 750 clutches are also rivetted and don't have any serious issues, so it's simply down to the damn screws.  But, because the whole caboodle is bolted to the alternator flywheel, there isn't any option.

piet
 
rpo83 said:
Once i finished what i could on the starter today, i removed the rocker cover to see what condition the cams were in and if there was obvious signs of wear or damage... Everything looks brand new  :D But everything also looks very dry  :o

Should i remove the cams from the cam blocks to lubricate them, or simply drench the top of the engine in oil and turn her over by hand? I'm not that keen to remove the cams, but i also don't want to damage them... I am assuming there will still be a film of oil on the cams in the blocks..
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Drench it in oil and spin the engine till fresh lube arrives.  Have some rags handy...  :D  But do yourself a favour and fit a new cover gasket.  You won't need any of that horrible goo to seal it.

piet
 
I love the Breganzie RGS concept VS say a Guzzi 1000SP or BMW Boxer but to tell you the truth a stormier like a 70 SF0 or a Guzzie 850 LeMans - Perhaps a Ducati 900 SS from that era.

At 72 years old I would be very content saddling a skate board Harley to day.

Ever notice how KTM moves their show room around various dealers - Who buys them ?

I know, at 72, I'm too old the mount at KTM Duke - Wish I was younger and fearless ;o)
 
Thanks guys, a thorough drenching it will get... Rocker cover gasket and throttle cable is on the list...

Primary cover removal will be next so i can send the covers off for polishing. Is there anything i need to be aware of doing this, from reading the manual, it just seems like i need to back off the primary chain tensioner..

Can any Melbourne based guys recommend a metal polisher for the job?
 
Steve check the valve clearances before you start worrying about the oil this may mean the cams have to come out in any case.
As far as the primary case goes you have an ignition trigger to contend with on a shaft with a small key to stop the trigger from spinning.
Undo the allen bolt remove the trigger and key, back off the tensioner screw you have to undo the locknuts first, undoe the gear linkage then go around all of the securing bolts, you will find the case will be stuck to the crankcases gentle taps with a soft hammer around the perimeter (no screw drivers) to prise the case off!
 
maurice turner said:
Steve check the valve clearances before you start worrying about the oil this may mean the cams have to come out in any case.
As far as the primary case goes you have an ignition trigger to contend with on a shaft with a small key to stop the trigger from spinning.
Undo the allen bolt remove the trigger and key, back off the tensioner screw you have to undo the locknuts first, undoe the gear linkage then go around all of the securing bolts, you will find the case will be stuck to the crankcases gentle taps with a soft hammer around the perimeter (no screw drivers) to prise the case off!
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Thanks Maurice,

the ignition is coming off as i have a new system from Red on order... so i thought whilst that is off i may as well do some polishing.. I'll check the valve clearances .
 
Dellortoman said:
FFS, stop calling that thing on top of the engine a rocker cover. There are no rockers to be found under it.  ;)

Greg Parrish has the cam cover gaskets https://damclassicracing.com.au/55120055-gasket-rubber-cam-cover-3c/
He's still away at present though. Back on 7 Oct.  If you need one before that, I think I have a spare lying around that I could chuck in the mail.
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Cam you should be happy that i didn't call it a "rocket" cover... It's habit ok, and very hard to change as i've always called anything that sits on top of an engine a rocker cover as when i grew up, 99% of what lived under these covers were rockers :)

I have a big order with Red underway so i'll get him to add a "cam" cover and primary cover gasket :)
 
You're not alone, and it been called that for the close to 30 years I have owned mine. How wrong is that
 
and while we are at it, I will not have buckets used for the item that covers the valve springs and transfers the motion of the cam to the tip if the valve, it is a TAPPET and no tappets are not the things used on old crap that has a screw and a locknut for clearance adjustment, a tappet converts rotary motion into linear motion. End of.
Shall we start a club Cam(eron) added to avoid confusion?
CLEM

the correct English  engine part identification club


TCE  EPIC
 
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