wanted - moto giro bike

[Ariel Marx]

You may just need to look into tyre profile for that front wheel. Some tyres, even though the right size on paper won't fit when space is limited.

P

indeed but if you look at the pictures below and compare what I have and what I should have, you can tell that it’s different. I was told the fender I bought was from a 175cc but it’s from a 98cc, if you look where the reinforcement rods connect to the fender on both pictures, you can tell that one is bigger than the other one.

 

[Paul LeClair]

No point in ordering valve guides before you have removed the old ones Paul. You need to know the bore size in the head in order to get the correct oversize, if needed. Maybe you're lucky and the ordered bits will fit OK. If they do, you may as well buy a lottery ticket too.

piet

Hi Piet

didn't know that, already ordered and paid. I don't ordinarily buy lottery tickets, has always seemed like a government run scam to me, and a form of social control providing false hope and trying to keep the populus from revolting. My spouse, on the other hand, buys lottery tickets regulaly and seems convinced each and every time she is going to win, but never does. Bloody hell what a waste of money that could otherwise be spent on motorycle parts....

had a very hard time finding the valves and guides that I did. I will go back to seller right now and see if he has/can obtain first or second oversize of valve guides before shipment, otherwise I will try and make do with whatever arrives. I already know one of the existing valve guides i.d is damaged, didn't even consider the o.d. Thanks for the expert advice, I should have asked first obviously, but i didn't know what I didn't know.

 

[Paul LeClair]

Hi Paul,

Looks like your balls will be in good hands on the gilera. Good to know that Samuelson Brezzi is a reliable source of parts as I will be purchasing my twin exhaust from him shortly. Let us know how it goes for the garelli, again if you need some things, I have a little stock of parts and will gladly help if you need anything.

On my side of the world, I have completely rebuilt the 175 gilera to adjust all the parts before sending it all to the painter. My main problem is the front fender that seems to be for a 17’ wheels and I have 19’. I have already sourced a new one that should arrive soon. I am hoping that everything will be painting before the end of March if I manage to get some time off work. For February, it already looks like it will be hard to work on any bikes.

Hi Ariel

the mock up looks good. With fresh paint, what are you going to do with the engine cases?

 

[helicopterjim]

just paid the import fees and customs clearance on the Hagon shocks coming from the UK by UPS, so they should be here soon, got a note from UPS that delivery is "scheduled" whatever that means.

Be thankful you live in a city. I hope they put your phone number on the package. UPS here has been playing silly buggers with shipments over here. The tracking shows package held in Williams Lake depot (150 km away) waiting for "rescheduled delivery". Then after a week of waiting for the "rescheduling" I call the depot and find out that it was sent to the 100 Mile House depot. I call there and find they still have one of my packages but the other is being returned. Then the guy gives me shit because it doesn't have my phone number. I call the Williams Lake depot to see if I can still get second package but it is on its way back to shipper. Thee lady there was nice but she said UPS has been a real pain with not communicating (both depots are second party outlets) and the guy in 100 Mile House has been a real jerk. She figures that over half of the packages have been redirected lately due to UPS not communicating with the person receiving party.

Thanks for sharing the updates on your project! Wolfgang says that May is not a good time for expecting good weather in Nakusp ........ but then he may not be home in June so probably is the best time! I'm going to bring a pair of 3C's and maybe a 750 that Wolfgang wants to use to make a wiring harness loom board using its harness. Also trying to track down another Italian bike nut in the area but he may have moved to Alberta.

Cheers
Jim

 

[Paul LeClair]

Be thankful you live in a city. I hope they put your phone number on the package. UPS here has been playing silly buggers with shipments over here. The tracking shows package held in Williams Lake depot (150 km away) waiting for "rescheduled delivery". Then after a week of waiting for the "rescheduling" I call the depot and find out that it was sent to the 100 Mile House depot. I call there and find they still have one of my packages but the other is being returned. Then the guy gives me shit because it doesn't have my phone number. I call the Williams Lake depot to see if I can still get second package but it is on its way back to shipper. Thee lady there was nice but she said UPS has been a real pain with not communicating (both depots are second party outlets) and the guy in 100 Mile House has been a real jerk. She figures that over half of the packages have been redirected lately due to UPS not communicating with the person receiving party.

Thanks for sharing the updates on your project! Wolfgang says that May is not a good time for expecting good weather in Nakusp ........ but then he may not be home in June so probably is the best time! I'm going to bring a pair of 3C's and maybe a 750 that Wolfgang wants to use to make a wiring harness loom board using its harness. Also trying to track down another Italian bike nut in the area but he may have moved to Alberta.

Cheers
Jim

Hi Jim

I know the weather may be coolish and maybe rainy in May in central BC around Nelson, but at least it is unlikely the entire Province will be on fire yet as it was for June/July/August like last year.

Shipping has not been much better here to Calgary, I have had several items from Amazon returned by the delivery services to Amazon as "undeliverable" and had to order them again. Hard to figure out how they could be undelieverable, the packages were arranged to be left on my front porch without signature, my house has not moved.........

then there is Canada Ciustoms processing, a couple of my packages from the U.S.A. were sent trackable, and tracking shows two to three to four weeks, and pending, held by Canada Customs for no apparent reason.

I usually try to "buy local", problem seems to be no-one local carries stock and all want to order it in for me, so I avoid the markup and just go direct. If the item was actually in stock local to me I would buy it here.

While shipping costs continue to double and triple and more, now the truckers are currently blockading border crossings to/from USA in what started as CoVid restrictions protest and now seems to be morphing into an attempt to overthrow the fedral government, shipping is unlikely to speed up.........

Paul LeClair

 

[Paul Marx]

indeed but if you look at the pictures below and compare what I have and what I should have, you can tell that it’s different. I was told the fender I bought was from a 175cc but it’s from a 98cc, if you look where the reinforcement rods connect to the fender on both pictures, you can tell that one is bigger than the other one.

Looks very similar on a photo. Can't the fixtures be modified to make it fit?

P

 

[Paul Marx]

Hi Piet

didn't know that, already ordered and paid. I don't ordinarily buy lottery tickets, has always seemed like a government run scam to me, and a form of social control providing false hope and trying to keep the populus from revolting.

If you reflect, you'll find that a lottery is much cheaper and less harmful than psychiatrists and anti depressants.
The populus doesn't need a government to organise lotteries, they do it all by themselves for the benefit of local gangsters. Much better that the profits benefit the people via the government.

Paul

 

[Ariel Marx]

Looks very similar on a photo. Can't the fixtures be modified to make it fit?

P

I guess I could try to modify it to make it fit but I found a NOS for 20€ including shipping. So I guess I’d rather waste my money than my time . I was also going to weld a piece of metal on the swinging arm to fix the chain guard and I found a complete swinging arm for 37€ Shipping included.

 

[Paul Marx]

I guess I could try to modify to make it fit but I found a NOS for 20€ including shipping. So I guess I’d rather waste my money than my time

You're right.
P

 

[Ariel Marx]

Hi Ariel

the mock up looks good. With fresh paint, what are you going to do with the engine cases?

Engine is to be completely dismantled, and vapour blasted. The side are to be polished, I may have found someone that will do it for me

 

[Paul LeClair]

engine case filed, ground, sanded to 800 grit. Had to remove quite a bit of material to deal with the deepest gouges, and to attempt to correct some of the casting flaws. Still some obvious significant defects, deciding how much further to take this. Probably a bit more grinding out of the remaining obvious defects, then move on to sanding from maybe 400 grit all the way up to 2,000 + grit. Then have a look at how that appears, and decide if a final vapour blasting to satin may be in order. I am stil waiting for the other engine case half back from the specialty welder, so will probably just leave this alone now until I can bolt the case halves together and make the final surface finish match. Not sure how much surface prep/repair I may have to do in the area being welded.

 

[Paul LeClair]

carb re assembled after vapor blasting, tiny little 18 mm Dellortto

 

[chrisk]

So your son came to the party? About time he got his act together.

He has done well so far.

 

[Paul LeClair]

Engine is to be completely dismantled, and vapour blasted. The side are to be polished, I may have found someone that will do it for me

Hi Ariel

For eventual re-asembly, I still am not confident about cam timing, no marks. Have you found any info?

 

[Paul LeClair]

So your son came to the party? About time he got his act together.

He has done well so far.

Hi Chris, he turned up, just a week late, and after I did the really messy work of the heavy filing and grinding. As an aside, lucky him, as I had a 6 inch heavy flap wheel spinning at about a million + rpm come flying off the hand held grinder and hit me square in the area meant to be protected by the ball protector recently arrived from Italy. I know the ball protector is meant to be mounted on the bike but i may strap it on myself before I fire up the hand held grinder ever again. I have been limping for two days, bloody hell.....

 

[Paul LeClair]

deliveries still arriving. Custom built Hagon shocks for the UK, and a new old stock Dinamin 61.2 mm pistons with rings and pin from Italy. Have to go out to the garage and measure the existing piston (stock is 60 mm, exisiting from the engine is 60.4 mm) to determine if this new piston will work, I kind of made my "best guess" when I ordered. Bascially i just need to be sure the piston pin is same diameter and piston pin to piston top will result in same piston height in the bore to the head.

 

[chrisk]

Hi Chris, he turned up, just a week late, and after I did the really messy work of the heavy filing and grinding. As an aside, lucky him, as I had a 6 inch heavy flap wheel spinning at about a million + rpm come flying off the hand held grinder and hit me square in the area meant to be protected by the ball protector recently arrived from Italy. I know the ball protector is meant to be mounted on the bike but i may strap it on myself before I fire up the hand held grinder ever again. I have been limping for two days, bloody hell.....

Now you know how the head crown will feel, if the piston pin is a tad too low.

 

[helicopterjim]

Now you know how the head crown will feel, if the piston pin is a tad too low.

That sounds positively pornographic ........ but then coming from Chris I guess it is normal.

Jim

 

[Dellortoman]

Those shocks look bent to me. I presume that's just a weird optical illusion created by the dual rate springs or something.

 

[Paul LeClair]

Hi Cam

optical illusion, the shocks are fine. They were really well packed and padded and boxed.

compared the new 61.2 mm piston to the used 60.4 mm. Going to have to carefully trim 3 mm off the piston skirt lower edge, otherwise looks useable. I inserted the piston pin into both pistons to lock them together on the common pin to get a real side by side comparison. Photos

doing quick displacement calculation,stock stroke 54 mm, stock bore 60 mm = 152.68 cc, present bore 60.4 mm = 154.72 cc, new piston bore 61.2 mm = 158.85 cc. No idea if the small displacement increase will even be noticeable?