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Paul,
What you're suggesting is socialism, great parts of the world steadfastly refuse to embrace anything resembling that!
I agree, we're doomed...
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I believe that Germany is not going to ban the sale of combustion engine cars/ motorcycles in 2035 as per EU directive, so they obviously won’t ban them from town centres. I think in UK there will be restrictions on major cities that amount to taxing older non compliant vehicles but not an outright ban. Petrol availability may be a problem which in turn may make normal journeys difficult.
I'm not suggesting anything, I'm seeing what's happening.Paul,
What you're suggesting is socialism, great parts of the world steadfastly refuse to embrace anything resembling that!
I agree, we're doomed...
piet
If we could go about in and around our towns without coughing, or having to wear a mask, it would be nice.
If socialism is not producing useless objects, creating false needs like a new car every couple of years, because selling them is necessary to keep the god of economy happy, then, where do I vote?
Paul
No need to ban IC engines, just ban them from towns. That'll be the case within 5 years, at least as you point out, for older vehicles, 4 or 2 wheels.
The UK is of course, as usual apart, taxing.
Our German friends will no doubt give details on this and it's likely evolution. https://www.environmentalbadge.com/...039.90875641.1669749951-1832205256.1669749951
This is France in 2025.
Paul
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Is this “proposed“ or already legislated? So in three years your existing new car ( and bikes)will be all but useless as regular transport? I’ve been to all but six of those towns on my Guzzi. Better book for next year..
Concerning France, it's 11 towns to date, all the rest are planned for 2025.
It is not a ban on ICE engines, but on older vehicles. An outright ban, not a tax as in the UK.
Motorcycles over 10 years old are and will be banned unless they have a "historic" registration.
The taxation system in the form of fines, applies in major Belgian towns, Brussels, Ghent, Antwerp.
All that of course pre-figures an outright ban which is currently socially unacceptable but will not be the case in a few years when most have gone electric and governments help the less well off consumer buy electric.
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Just checked, Bristol “clean air” £9 per day for older cars does not apply to motorcycles ( exempt) but ULEZ in London does include motorcycles at £12.50 a day Unless they are 40 years old and tax exempt- central London could end up looking like Castro era Cuba.
These have been mandatory for quite a few years, signs at city limits show what's allowed in and what not. Ranges from no badge to red (both mostly no go these days) through yellow and green. No limits for green (euro 4 and up emissions classification). Cars on "historic" plates and all bikes are exempt, for the time being at least. Lots of spa towns banning bikes altogether, though on grounds of noise... guess 12 cylinder Ferraris and Lambos in 2nd. gear at 7000rpm are a lot quieter.
On a whole, imho, the exercise was pushed by the auto industry and was meant to ramp up new vehicle sales, with generous tax incentives thrown in for good measure. The environmental improvement, which is what the greens aimed for when they initiated it, was but a welcome side effect. Lots of old stinkin' clunkers disappeared almost overnight, along with many perfectly good vehicles that could easily have run for a decade or more without increasing any carbon footprints! Kept the auto industry very happy for a few years.
For a laugh, I entered an imaginary licence number and 1993 as model year in the above link, would mean I'd be issued with a green "4" badge. This would imply that the vehicle would comply to euro 4, which wasn't even heard of at the time! No European Conformity Certificate back then, either. £18 for a fake/chosen badge? A misdemeanor if the vehicle is found not to comply with what the badge implies. Badges are generally included when testing at workshops and garages authorised to perform emissions tests. Applied in new vehicles by selling dealers.
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When you squeeze big business enough, it evolves. You're quite right, much of this evolution is fired by the car industry and all that turns around it which is huge.These have been mandatory for quite a few years, signs at city limits show what's allowed in and what not. Ranges from no badge to red (both mostly no go these days) through yellow and green. No limits for green (euro 4 and up emissions classification). Cars on "historic" plates and all bikes are exempt, for the time being at least. Lots of spa towns banning bikes altogether, though on grounds of noise... guess 12 cylinder Ferraris and Lambos in 2nd. gear at 7000rpm are a lot quieter.
On a whole, imho, the exercise was pushed by the auto industry and was meant to ramp up new vehicle sales, with generous tax incentives thrown in for good measure. The environmental improvement, which is what the greens aimed for when they initiated it, was but a welcome side effect. Lots of old stinkin' clunkers disappeared almost overnight, along with many perfectly good vehicles that could easily have run for a decade or more without increasing any carbon footprints! Kept the auto industry very happy for a few years.
For a laugh, I entered an imaginary licence number and 1993 as model year in the above link, would mean I'd be issued with a green "4" badge. This would imply that the vehicle would comply to euro 4, which wasn't even heard of at the time! No European Conformity Certificate back then, either. £18 for a fake/chosen badge? A misdemeanor if the vehicle is found not to comply with what the badge implies. Badges are generally included when testing at workshops and garages authorised to perform emissions tests. Applied in new vehicles by selling dealers.
piet
We wouldn't allow that in a socialist country.
Paul