Too many gadgets in new vehicles?

Skoda maintained the same level of owner usability even in my 2010 model. I haven't gone the route of the diagnostics unit yet, but have managed not to need it. My ESC (stability program) light came on during a trip through outback South Oz but then it went off - comes on now and then but has no effect on driving, no limp mode. It's a very nice car to drive, no obvious gadgetry, great feedback from the road, 6 speed manual ... a bit like an old motorbike! Basically ABS, electronic stability and traction control and cruise control.

I drove a mate's Subaru and hated the adaptive cruise control - I'd want to sit on 110-115kph on the freeway but the idiot car would catch the car ahead and slow itself down until I realised, turned off cruise control (the only way to bypass the stupid function) and overtook the car - i now understand why you get processions and huge lines of cars going under the speed limit on open roads!!
 
Beucars said:
I'm working on it.... and it could arrive faster then expected ;) Free time Laverda and old metal, else automated mobility...
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Obvious really.
I live in the town where we had the world's first fully automated metro. When it came out in 1983, 43 years ago, you can imagine the comments that were made. Very much the same happened when the automobile came along to replace the horse cart.

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You can fly to the moon fully automated but not take a car up the road to buy the daily bread. A joke. The advertising people need to get to work.


Paul
 
Paul Marx said:
Obvious really.
I live in the town where we had the world's first fully automated metro. When it came out in 1983, 43 years ago, you can imagine the comments that were made. Very much the same happened when the automobile came along to replace the horse cart.

fr.wikipedia.org

Véhicule automatique léger — Wikipédia

fr.wikipedia.org fr.wikipedia.org

You can fly to the moon fully automated but not take a car up the road to buy the daily bread. A joke. The advertising people need to get to work.


Paul
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You are right and this is the work i'm involved in...already long time....I just didn't want to go to much in detail here... I do like all things mechanical for hobby, from watch to airplane, while working on the future of mobility...
 
Beucars said:
You are right and this is the work i'm involved in...already long time....I just didn't want to go to much in detail here... I do like all things mechanical for hobby, from watch to airplane, while working on the future of mobility...
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Yes, fully automated cars need not stop us from enjoying motorcycles with magnetos and hand gear change
:)

Paul
 
Paul Marx said:
Very much the same happened when the automobile came along to replace the horse cart.
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The difference is today's ever accelerating imposition of regulations (now), versus market driven change (then). The reason for that is that few would buy these ideas and technologies otherwise, unlike when the automobile replaced the horse cart. The underlying purpose of the regulations is to limit problems with the ever larger population of taxpayers that not by coincidence feeds the same self serving, growing authoritarian government that creates them. It is a regressive approach in relation to both good governance and reducing impact on the environment.

By the way over the next 15 or 20 years some may buckle under and use automated public transport mobility like a early 20th century European peasant, I'll be flying my plane above you with the radio turned off, going wherever I please. I won't be driving a self-driving EV to the airport either. Not everybody wants to go backwards. 😊
 
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Silvaire said:
The difference is today's ever accelerating imposition of regulations (now), versus market driven change (then). The reason for that is that few would buy these ideas and technologies otherwise, unlike when the automobile replaced the horse cart. The underlying purpose of the regulations is to limit problems with the ever larger population of taxpayers that not by coincidence feeds the same self serving, growing authoritarian government that creates them. It is a regressive approach in relation to both good governance and reducing impact on the environment.

While some use automated public transport mobility under the weight of regulation, like a early 20th century European peasant, I'll be flying my plane above with the radio turned off, going wherever I please. I won't be driving an EV to the airport either. Not everybody wants to go backwards :giggle:
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You'll be shot down by your friends from ICE.
Paul
 
Nope, not in the real world. There's another world out there that provides us with options to avoid the supposed 'future of mobility' (to use today's Euro buzz word du jour). My plane is a good example: zero automation and it will continue to take me to a lot of places indefinitely without anybody watching, tracking, knowing, caring or taxing. Just me and the natural, free, real world.

Authoritarian visions and values in relation to forced mass transit, limited EV range and annoying mandated 'safety' gadgetry have nothing to do with my future, nor that of many others. However feel free to pull the blinders close over your eyes and search for ever greater levels of compliance in your own life, if that's what you like to do :giggle:
 
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Flock surveillance cameras are becoming ubiquitous in NA, despite citizens of all political persuasions being united against them. They can and do follow millions of vehicles at once, tracking their every movement. Criminal, suspect or ordinary citizen, the police who put these into place do not care in the slightest, everyone is fair game to them.
 
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Flock surveillance cameras are becoming ubiquitous in NA, despite citizens of all political persuasions being united against them. They can and do follow millions of vehicles at once, tracking their every movement. Criminal, suspect or ordinary citizen, the police who put these into place do not care in the slightest, everyone is fair game to them.
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It’s a scary prospect. Hopefully it’s used for good, not for evil.

My wife has a new Hybrid car, she went to the shops came back to the car, it was unlocked and in ‘run’ mode, sound system on, because she forgot to turn it off on leaving it.

No fangled gadgets told her it was left unsecured and ready to be driven off by a baddie 😳
 
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I like the sentiment, but good luck with flying a Cessna (or whatever) around without a radar tracking you and policing your movements!
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Yes — there are areas of U.S. airspace that do not have continuous radar tracking, and in some cases, no surveillance coverage at all.

Radar coverage gaps exist in remote and mountainous regions
The U.S. National Airspace System (NAS) relies on a network of ground-based radar stations, but terrain, distance from stations, and operational costs mean there are “blind spots” where aircraft are not continuously tracked. These gaps are especially common in the Rocky Mountains, northern and central Alaska, and parts of the Pacific Northwest Reddit. For example, in central Montana, Idaho, and parts of Utah, Wyoming, and Idaho, there are large low-altitude blind areas where even IFR position reports may not be received Reddit.


I'm sure the pilots on this Forum will be along shortly to tell us how they move around vast areas of the USA undetected. Lucky guys; actually, I'm jealous they can fly. Probably the most famous Cessna pilot flying around undetected was Jimmy Buffett.
 
chrisk said:
It’s a scary prospect. Hopefully it’s used for good, not for evil.

My wife has a new Hybrid car, she went to the shops came back to the car, it was unlocked and in ‘run’ mode, sound system on, because she forgot to turn it off on leaving it.

No fangled gadgets told her it was left unsecured and ready to be driven off by a baddie 😳
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If by good you mean highly useful for stalkers, then yes. There have been many cases of LEO using Flock data to stalk ex-husbands and wives. They also seem to be popular for monitoring girlfriends too.
 
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I like the sentiment, but good luck with flying a Cessna (or whatever) around without a radar tracking you and policing your movements!
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No luck is required. Radar does not identify an aircraft and ATC contact is not required in most US airspace - so the extent of radar surveillance is watching an unidentified dot move without communication or control. If the plane has a Mode C transponder it just helps make the dot brighter and also provides altitude data. That helps ATC provide traffic advisories for (other) traffic that asks for that service voluntarily.

The traditional way ATC would apprehend you using radar is to track you to your (likely uncontrolled) destination airport and then try to call somebody random on the ground (by phone) to tell them who you are. And many US airports are busy with many planes, or unattended. It’s not exactly a system to police the skies.

Mode S transponders and ADSB OUT do identify the aircraft, and more aircraft are equipped today than pre-2020 when some rules changed. But neither is mandatory in most US airspace - only in particularly busy areas.
 
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If the theme of this thread (newfangled gadgets, techno, AI and the like) is anything to go by it can't be long before the skies are well and truly monitored - same way some time soon you won't be able to drive anything on any road without it being registered and fitted with a total tracking and recording system that knows ... everything ... like just how fast you went on that little ride through the hills! :eek:
 
piranha-bro2 said:
If the theme of this thread (newfangled gadgets, techno, AI and the like) is anything to go by it can't be long before the skies are well and truly monitored - same way some time soon you won't be able to drive anything on any road without it being registered and fitted with a total tracking and recording system that knows ... everything ... like just how fast you went on that little ride through the hills! :eek:
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Won't be long Q.
I took my car in for a service and was greeted with "Who's been a naughty boy then"
 
Drones are likely to play an increasing part in the future of gadgetry encroaching our lives when out and about. Just a few more steps - regulations allowing autonomous drones, better batteries allowing permanent flight, zillions of satellites - and you won’t be able to fart undetected.
 
Paul Marx said:
Obvious really.
I live in the town where we had the world's first fully automated metro. When it came out in 1983, 43 years ago, you can imagine the comments that were made. Very much the same happened when the automobile came along to replace the horse cart.

fr.wikipedia.org

Véhicule automatique léger — Wikipédia

fr.wikipedia.org fr.wikipedia.org

You can fly to the moon fully automated but not take a car up the road to buy the daily bread. A joke. The advertising people need to get to work.


Paul
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Would you fly in a plane with no crew- fully automated? Doors close automatically ( not checked by a human) just sat in rows waiting for doors to open again at destination? I wouldn’t .
A while back a learned guy explained to me that smart motorways and electric autonomous cars would allow traffic to drive almost touching allowing more vehicles on the same stretch of road with no delays! “ you’ve just invented the train” says I…
 
Reminds me of the scene in the Movie "I Robot" where the autonomous car decides whose life is more worthy and crashes into the less worthy person.
 
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