Too many gadgets in new vehicles?

Would you fly in a plane with no crew- fully automated? Doors close automatically ( not checked by a human) just sat in rows waiting for doors to open again at destination? I wouldn’t .
A while back a learned guy explained to me that smart motorways and electric autonomous cars would allow traffic to drive almost touching allowing more vehicles on the same stretch of road with no delays! “ you’ve just invented the train” says I…
If self driving is so easy, why aren’t there self driving autonomous trains? No turning, no cross traffic, no pedestrians, no merging….should be a lot easier to develop than cars. So where are they? Is it the unions blocking it?

There are already autonomous farm vehicles, see this season of Clarkson’s Farm…..
 
They are building and have finished hundreds of Ks of Driverless Metro light rail trains all over Sydney, including the second tunnel under Sydney Harbour that includes those driverless metro trains. Mega Billions spent.
 
If self driving is so easy, why aren’t there self driving autonomous trains? No turning, no cross traffic, no pedestrians, no merging….should be a lot easier to develop than cars. So where are they? Is it the unions blocking it?

There are already autonomous farm vehicles, see this season of Clarkson’s Farm…..
Autonomous Metro trains are state of the art for more than ten years, but not erverywhere.
 
Would you fly in a plane with no crew- fully automated? Doors close automatically ( not checked by a human) just sat in rows waiting for doors to open again at destination? I wouldn’t .
A while back a learned guy explained to me that smart motorways and electric autonomous cars would allow traffic to drive almost touching allowing more vehicles on the same stretch of road with no delays! “ you’ve just invented the train” says I…
I avoid planes, but not hostesses.
Automated systems always have a human bypass just in case.
That's what allows pilots to willingly fly passenger aircraft into mountains.

Paul
 
Nope, not in the real world. There's another world out there that provides us with options to avoid the supposed 'future of mobility' (to use today's Euro buzz word du jour). My plane is a good example: zero automation and it will continue to take me to a lot of places indefinitely without anybody watching, tracking, knowing, caring or taxing. Just me and the natural, free, real world.

Authoritarian visions and values in relation to forced mass transit, limited EV range and annoying mandated 'safety' gadgetry have nothing to do with my future, nor that of many others. However feel free to pull the blinders close over your eyes and search for ever greater levels of compliance in your own life, if that's what you like to do :giggle:
 
The difference is today's ever accelerating imposition of regulations (now), versus market driven change (then). The reason for that is that few would buy these ideas and technologies otherwise, unlike when the automobile replaced the horse cart. The underlying purpose of the regulations is to limit problems with the ever larger population of taxpayers that not by coincidence feeds the same self serving, growing authoritarian government that creates them. It is a regressive approach in relation to both good governance and reducing impact on the environment.

By the way over the next 15 or 20 years some may buckle under and use automated public transport mobility like a early 20th century European peasant, I'll be flying my plane above you with the radio turned off, going wherever I please. I won't be driving a self-driving EV to the airport either. Not everybody wants to go backwards. 😊




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The difference is today's ever accelerating imposition of regulations (now), versus market driven change (then). The reason for that is that few would buy these ideas and technologies otherwise, unlike when the automobile replaced the horse cart. The underlying purpose of the regulations is to limit problems with the ever larger population of taxpayers that not by coincidence feeds the same self serving, growing authoritarian government that creates them. It is a regressive approach in relation to both good governance and reducing impact on the environment.

By the way over the next 15 or 20 years some may buckle under and use automated public transport mobility like a early 20th century European peasant, I'll be flying my plane above you with the radio turned off, going wherever I please. I won't be driving a self-driving EV to the airport either. Not everybody wants to go backwards. 😊

One should recall Martin Niemöller's speech.
You can also read the speech by Étienne de La Boétie:
*The Discourse on Voluntary Servitude*
Thanks for your message.
 
I avoid planes, but not hostesses.
Automated systems always have a human bypass just in case.
That's what allows pilots to willingly fly passenger aircraft into mountains.

Paul
Up until now, How does that sit with a driver less taxi- your not going to leap over the seats are you? Self flying Planes & Helicoptors for military are in the offing, the helicoptors ( I know) will have no cockpit or manual controls so your going down. Ironically, hostesses will not be phased out- but they are no longer bilingual, public school , posh totty they tend to be effeminate chubby blokes with eyeliner…
 
At least one motorcyclist fatality caused by a fully automated car in the USA was due to the fact that the Tesla`s radar mistook the paired tail lights of the motorcycle in front for the twin rear lights of a car far in the distance ........

( The paired motorcycle tail lights 10 inches apart equating to a cars tail lights five foot apart some 120 yards ahead ) ....

Therefore plenty of space between us reckoned the Tesla ...... therefore no need to slow down from it`s 70 mph cruising speed ........

Result ? ........ One dead motorcyclist ..............
 
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Just for the record the London DLR (Docklands Light Railway) has been operating without drivers since it commenced operation in August 1987. I don’t think it has suffered any accidents since it opened even though the original PLC systems / signaling were fairly basis and were installed in haste by GEC staff from multiple parts of the business to meet the programmed opening date.
 
If the theme of this thread (newfangled gadgets, techno, AI and the like) is anything to go by it can't be long before the skies are well and truly monitored - same way some time soon you won't be able to drive anything on any road without it being registered and fitted with a total tracking and recording system that knows ... everything ... like just how fast you went on that little ride through the hills! :eek:
Some insurance companies in California already offer, on a strictly voluntary basis at this time, 'black box' type recorders which record your every action. If you are a 'good driver,' you get a discount on your Insurance premiums; if you're like me, well, I'm fucked. The key takeaway is: ' At this time, it is voluntary.'
 
When they were told about recent changes to automated plane parameters that were not flagged to airlines or pilots surprised pilots and led to a couple of major crashes. I forget which out of the 2 big plane builders it was. When an issue was detected by the plane, it automaticaly did a correction that couldn't be turned off, resulting in the plane saving the situation by flying directly into the ground. Be careful what you wish for. BTW, I googled it, and it's both Airbus and Boeing; the latter had the crashes, and the former had solar radiation issues with software updates. Seems no one tests to the max before trying stuff on the public anymore.
 
When they were told about recent changes to automated plane parameters that were not flagged to airlines or pilots surprised pilots and led to a couple of major crashes. I forget which out of the 2 big plane builders it was. When an issue was detected by the plane, it automaticaly did a correction that couldn't be turned off, resulting in the plane saving the situation by flying directly into the ground. Be careful what you wish for. BTW, I googled it, and it's both Airbus and Boeing; the latter had the crashes, and the former had solar radiation issues with software updates. Seems no one tests to the max before trying stuff on the public anymore.
It was Boeing.
Paul
 
At least one motorcyclist fatality caused by a fully automated car in the USA was due to the fact that the Tesla`s radar mistook the paired tail lights of the motorcycle in front for the twin rear lights of a car far in the distance ........

( The paired motorcycle tail lights 10 inches apart equating to a cars tail lights five foot apart some 120 yards ahead ) ....

Therefore plenty of space between us reckoned the Tesla ...... therefore no need to slow down from it`s 70 mph cruising speed ........

Result ? ........ One dead motorcyclist ..............
Yes, one dead motorcyclist.

There was even an electric car that burnt.

Paul
 
Yes, one dead motorcyclist.

There was even an electric car that burnt.

Paul
Tell the family of the dead motorcyclist " Yeah , well an electric car does catch fire now and again , you know ........ one for one and all that ......" ........

Many motorcyclists are killed each year , many through no fault of their own , but if you can show those innocent deaths equates to the number of electric cars catching fire ........ or the number of people breaking their necks falling down the stairs ..... or the number of people getting run over by a bus ........ then that makes it all perfectly acceptable I guess ..........


Bloody motorcyclists ........ nothing but a danger to themselves ......... what place do they have on a modern automated highway ?

Their unregulated vulnerability / invisibility makes them nothing more than sitting ducks in a high speed GPS / radar controlled environment .........

Ban the sodding lot of them , I say ......... It`s the obvious solution to the problem ...............
 
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They are building and have finished hundreds of Ks of Driverless Metro light rail trains all over Sydney, including the second tunnel under Sydney Harbour that includes those driverless metro trains. Mega Billions spent.
In Toulouse, where I live, the metro is already automated, and it works well in terms of the distance covered.
The primary advantage of automation lies with the system's owner: no wage bill for drivers and no strikes.
You simply need to pay the few employees who run the system well.
This tramway doesn't operate 24/24
 
Tell the family of the dead motorcyclist " Yeah , well an electric car does catch fire now and again , you know ........ one for one and all that ......" ........

Many motorcyclists are killed each year , many through no fault of their own , but if you can show those innocent deaths equates to the number of electric cars catching fire ........ or the number of people breaking their necks falling down the stairs ..... or the number of people getting run over by a bus ........ then that makes it all perfectly acceptable I guess ..........


Bloody motorcyclists ........ nothing but a danger to themselves ......... what place do they have on a modern automated highway ?

Their unregulated vulnerability / invisibility makes them nothing more than sitting ducks in a high speed GPS / radar controlled environment .........

Ban the sodding lot of them , I say ......... It`s the obvious solution to the problem ...............
Writing that an automated car had a defect leading to the death of a motorcyclist whilst dozens more were being killed by defects in car drivers is like pointing out that an electric car is burning whilst thousands of petrol cars are burning.

It's biased.
Defects in automated programs can be improved, not so defects in humans.

As I wrote many pages ago, more automation will mean less suffering.

Paul
 
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